Finding amplitude of oscillation with only k, x, v, and a

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To find the amplitude of an oscillating system with given parameters, the equations for position, velocity, and acceleration can be used. The user identifies that they can calculate omega using the formula sqrt(-a / x), but struggles with the non-linear nature of the trigonometric equations. By substituting the known values into the equations, they realize they end up with two identical equations and three unknowns. A suggestion is made to utilize the trigonometric identity relating sine and cosine to simplify the problem further. The discussion emphasizes the challenge of solving the system without using energy methods.
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Homework Statement


An oscillating system of a block attached to a string where k = 400 at some time t has a position x of 0.1 m, velocity of -13.6 m/s, and accel. of -123 m/s^2. Find the amplitude of the motion. Do not use energy.


Homework Equations


x = Acos(wt + phi)
v = -Awsin(wt + phi)
a = -Aw^2cos(wt + phi)

The Attempt at a Solution


I can solve for omega by using sqrt(-a / x), we still have 3 unknowns A, t, and phi. We have 3 equations, but they are not linear equations so I don't know how to solve them simultaneously. What other method is there that I can use since I can't use energy?
 
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Hi PhizKid! :smile:
PhizKid said:
x = Acos(wt + phi)
v = -Awsin(wt + phi)
a = -Aw^2cos(wt + phi)

substitute the given values for x v and a

then you have three linear equations …

start eliminating variables :wink:
 
But these are trig functions. Doesn't this make the equations non-linear? I'm not sure how to eliminate variables that have trig functions in them.
 
treat cos(wt + phi) and sin(wt + phi) as being variables in their own right! :smile:
 
This doesn't work. When I simplify the equations for x and a, they are both identical:

alpha = cos(wt + phi)
beta = sin(wt + phi)

0.100 = A * alpha
0.100 = A * alpha
0.388 = A * beta

So it's really 2 equations with 3 unknowns... :(
 
There is an identity relating sin and cos. Use it.
 
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