Finding an expression for linear acceleration of a hanging mass

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The discussion revolves around finding an expression for the linear acceleration of a hanging mass connected to a rotating cylinder. The problem involves concepts from dynamics, specifically relating to forces, torques, and rotational motion.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the forces acting on the hanging mass and the torque on the cylinder. There is an exploration of the equations governing the system, including net force and torque equations. Questions arise regarding the derivation of two different expressions for acceleration and the implications of algebraic errors.

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Some participants have provided insights and corrections regarding the algebra involved in deriving the acceleration. There is acknowledgment of differing results, and one participant expresses confidence in a recalculated result. The conversation reflects a collaborative effort to clarify the reasoning behind the calculations.

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Participants note that the problem is framed as a practice exercise rather than formal homework, which influences the nature of the guidance offered. There are references to rules regarding the level of assistance permissible in homework contexts.

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A rope of negligible mass is wrapped around a uniform solid cylinder, of radius R, that can rotate freely about its axis, which is horizontal and fixed. A block hangs vertically from the rope and causes the cylinder to spin. The blocks mass, M_B is 4 times the mass, M, of the cylinder. Find an expression for the magnitude of the linear acceleration of the hanging block in terms of R and/or g. (Rotational inertia of a cylinder is I=1/2*MR^2)

I know the motion of the block is Fnet=M_B*a or M_B*g - T (tension) = M_B*a
(btw I'm taking up to be negative y direction and down positive y direction)

I also know that Torque= I * alpha. and also Torque = R T(tension)sin(theta) where theta =1

so TR = 1/2*MR^2*alpha (from Torque=I*alpha)

solving for T i have T=1/2*M*R*alpha

Now if i plug this equation for Tension into F_net = M_B*a i get:

M_B*g - 1/2*M*R*alpha = M_B*a **(also i know that alpha = a/r)

solving for a; i found two answers. by computing the algebra differently for the two answers and I am not sure which is correct...if either of them even are correct.

a = g(1+(2M_B/M)) AND a = g/(1+(M/2M_B))

Any insight is appreciated! thanks!
 
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After you substitute [itex]\alpha=a/R[/itex], you have:

[tex]gM_B - \frac{1}{2}Ma = M_B a[/tex]

How do you get two different solutions for a from that?

Also note, [itex]M_B=4M[/itex]
 
Im not sure what i was doing before...but after recalculating using your imput, i got

a=2g

is this what you calculated as well?
 
Rules for homework mean I can give pointers on working but not on answers.
Ergo - don't be afraid to post your working and reasoning: show me how you got that.

(It looks like you need to work on your algebra.)
 
its not homework, its just a practice problem. and i don't have my work with me at the moment but i figured it out. my algebra was off. thanks for your imput!
 
Of course I'm also too lazy ;) I once wrote in an exam: "the proof of this expression is left as an exercise for the examiner."
 

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