Finding an initial speed (projectile motion)

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A rock is thrown from a 20-meter high building at a 53-degree angle, and the horizontal range matches the building's height. The initial speed calculation initially yielded incorrect results, with attempts producing 2.7 m/s instead of the expected 11 m/s. The confusion stemmed from miscalculating angles and inputting formulas incorrectly into the calculator. After clarifying the equations and correcting the angle, the correct answers were confirmed: the initial speed is 11 m/s, and the rock is in the air for 3.1 seconds. Proper formula application and careful calculator use were crucial for reaching the correct solution.
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Homework Statement



A rock is thrown from the top of a 20-m high building at an angle of 53 degrees above the horizontal. If the horizontal range of the throw is equal to the height of the building, with what speed was the rock thrown? How long is it in the air?

Xf = 20, Xi = 0, Vxi = ?, t = ?, Yf = 0, Yi = 20, Vyi = ?, a = -9.81

Homework Equations



Xf = Xi + Vxi*t
Yf = Yi + Vyi*t + .5(a)(t)^2

The Attempt at a Solution



So first, I tried to find the time. I did this by doing 20 = 0 + Xcos(35)*t where X is initial speed and t is time. I then set t = 20/Xcos(35). I then plugged t back into my Yf equation which gives me 0 = 20 + Xsin(35)*(20/Xcos(35)) - 4.905(20/Xcos(35))^2. Solving this for x gives me about 2.7 m/s which is not right. The answer, according to the answer book, is 11 m/s. Can anyone tell me where I'm going wrong?
 
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0 = Xsin(35)*(20/Xcos(35)) - 4.905(20/Xcos(35))^2.
In this equation you have not submitted initial y.
 
Oops, pardon my typo. I have done it including the Vi in the equation, and 2.7 m/s is what i get. I have changed it above.
 
lilmul123 said:
Oops, pardon my typo. I have done it including the Vi in the equation, and 2.7 m/s is what i get. I have changed it above.
The angle is 53 degrees, not 35 degrees.
The equation becomes
0 = 20 + 20*tan53 - 4.9**20^2/vx^2cos^53.
Now solve.
 
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I changed 35 to 53, but it is still incorrect. Is it possible that I am just inputting the formula into my calculator wrong? Maybe this isn't even the way I'm supposed to be solving it? I can't seem to get to 11 m/s no matter how I try.
 
lilmul123 said:
I changed 35 to 53, but it is still incorrect. Is it possible that I am just inputting the formula into my calculator wrong? Maybe this isn't even the way I'm supposed to be solving it? I can't seem to get to 11 m/s no matter how I try.
I have edited the above post. Now try. You will get the answer.
 
That equation can't possibly be correct. You must mean:

0 = 20 + 20*tan(53)Vxi - 4.9*20^2/Vxi^2*cos(53)^2


Regardless, this is still incorrect. I must be doing this problem incorrectly. Do you have any suggestions of another method I might take?


Just for reference, the next part of the problem asks "how long is the rock in the air?" The correct answer in this case is 3.1s, but I do not get this either, obviously.
 
[0 = 20 + 20*tan(53)Vxi - 4.9*20^2/Vxi^2*cos(53)^2]
It is only 20*tan53. There is no vxi there.
 
Thank you very much for your patience with me. I finally got the correct answer. It seems the problem was me with my calculator. Thanks again!
 
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