Finding angle of billiard ball after collision

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The discussion revolves around calculating the angle at which a billiard ball moves away after colliding with the table's side. The ball, with a mass of 0.162 kg and an initial speed of 1.86 m/s, collides at an angle of 51.8°, and the coefficient of restitution is 0.841. The calculated speed after the collision is 1.56 m/s, leading to a deflection angle of 42.5°. Participants debate the conservation of momentum, particularly regarding the transfer of momentum to the Earth, and clarify that momentum is conserved in the x-direction during the collision. The conversation concludes with a consensus on the assumptions made about speed reduction relative to the cushion's surface.
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Homework Statement



A billiard ball of mass 0.162 kg has a speed of 1.86 m/s and collides with the side of the billiard table at an angle of 51.8°. For this collision, the coefficient of restitution is 0.841. What is the angle relative to the side (in degrees) at which the ball moves away from the collision?

m = 0.162 kg
vi = 1.86 m/s
θ = 51.8°
CR = 0.841

Homework Equations



CR = v/u
mvxi + mvyi = mv'xf + mv'yf

The Attempt at a Solution



CR = v/u
0.841 = v / 1.86 m/s
v = 1.56 m/s

mvxi = mvxf
mvcosθ = mvcosθ'
1.86 * cos 51.8° = vxf
vxf = 1.15 m/s

cosθ' = vxf/v
cosθ' = 1.15/1.56
θ' = cos-1(1.15/1.56) = 42.5°
 
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luffy3san said:

The Attempt at a Solution



CR = v/u
0.841 = v / 1.86 m/s
v = 1.56 m/s

mvxi = mvxf
mvcosθ = mvcosα

I have a problem with these two. E.g. the second says θ = α and I don't believe the first one either!

Is momentum really conserved in the billiard ball? What about momentum transferred to the Earth via the pool table etc.?

M.E.'s out there, help?

1.86 * cos 51.8° = vxf
vxf = 1.15 m/s

cosα = vxf/v
cosα = 1.15/1.56
α = cos-1(1.15/1.56) = 42.5°[/QUOTE]
 
rude man said:
I have a problem with these two. E.g. the second says θ = α and I don't believe the first one either!

Is momentum really conserved in the billiard ball? What about momentum transferred to the Earth via the pool table etc.?

M.E.'s out there, help?

1.86 * cos 51.8° = vxf
vxf = 1.15 m/s

cosα = vxf/v
cosα = 1.15/1.56
α = cos-1(1.15/1.56) = 42.5°

Hmm not sure about the momentum transfer to the Earth etc. I checked a couple sites where they said momentum is conserved in the x direction in this situation.
 
luffy3san said:
Hmm not sure about the momentum transfer to the Earth etc. I checked a couple sites where they said momentum is conserved in the x direction in this situation.

Yeah, that makes sense. Momentum transfer to Earth should be only in the direction perpendicular to the table's side. Good point. Did you pick x as going along the side of the collision?
 
rude man said:
Yeah, that makes sense. Momentum transfer to Earth should be only in the direction perpendicular to the table's side. Good point. Did you pick x as going along the side of the collision?

Yes, I think so. I chose the x-axis to be the side of the table. On a x-y coordinate, the ball travels from the 3rd quadrant, hits at the origin, and deflects towards the 4th quadrant. And, I chose the angles to be along the x axis. Don't know if that's the right way.
 
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I think you are supposed to assume that the speed is reduced only in the direction perpendicular to the cushion.

AM
 
Andrew Mason said:
I think you are supposed to assume that the speed is reduced only in the direction perpendicular to the cushion.

AM

Yeah, that's what I was assuming but i found out my mistake. I noticed that CR should've been CR = \vec{v}sinθ' / \vec{u}sinθ

Thanks rudeman and Andrew for the suggestions!
 
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