Finding Angle of Twist at Gear A Relative to Motor

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the angle of twist at gear A relative to the motor, utilizing various equations related to torque and material properties. Participants explore different approaches and calculations, addressing potential errors and the influence of multiple torques acting on the system.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose using the equations θ = ∑ (TL/JG) and θ = Lτ/Gr to calculate the angle of twist.
  • One participant reports a calculation yielding -1.163833x10^-3 rad, questioning its correctness.
  • Another participant suggests checking arithmetic, noting that the angle of twist calculation may be missing factors of ten.
  • Concerns are raised about the assumption that the angle of twist is solely caused by the torque from one side of the gear, with a suggestion to consider the net torque acting at gear A.
  • Participants discuss the significance of the internal torque of -29.18 N-m, with one asserting it accounts for torque from both sides of the gear.
  • There is mention of greater torque loads from other gears on the shaft, which may affect the calculations.
  • A proposed equation is presented to include additional torque contributions from other gears, indicating a more complex interaction.
  • One participant notes the need to calculate the polar moment of inertia (J) for a different diameter shaft.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct approach to calculating the angle of twist, with no consensus reached on the validity of the initial calculations or the assumptions made regarding torque contributions.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential arithmetic errors and the need for a comprehensive free body diagram to accurately assess the net torque. There is also a discussion about the varying torques acting on the system, which complicates the analysis.

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Homework Statement


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What is the angle of twist at gear A relative to the motor? (Round to the closest 6th decimal)

Homework Equations


I know to find the angle its θ = ∑ (TL/JG)
but it can also be θ = Lτ/Gr

The Attempt at a Solution


So i used both these equations, and I got (-29.18*0.052)/(1.57x10^-8 * 83x10^9) = -1.163833x10^-3 rad, which was the same result for the other one too. However, this was wrong and I'm not sure what I am doing wrong?
 
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Jonski said:

Homework Statement


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What is the angle of twist at gear A relative to the motor? (Round to the closest 6th decimal)

Homework Equations


I know to find the angle its θ = ∑ (TL/JG)
but it can also be θ = Lτ/Gr

The Attempt at a Solution


So i used both these equations, and I got (-29.18*0.052)/(1.57x10^-8 * 83x10^-9) = -1.163833 rad, which was the same result for the other one too. However, this was wrong and I'm not sure what I am doing wrong?
G = 83×109 Pa

You should check your arithmetic. θ seems to be missing a couple of factors of 10.

When you isolate gear A, you should draw a free body diagram to make sure you have the correct net torque acting at that location. I don't think you can say that the angle of twist is caused only by the torque acting from the left of the gear, and that the torque acting to the right has no effect.
 
SteamKing said:
G = 83×109 Pa

You should check your arithmetic. θ seems to be missing a couple of factors of 10.

When you isolate gear A, you should draw a free body diagram to make sure you have the correct net torque acting at that location. I don't think you can say that the angle of twist is caused only by the torque acting from the left of the gear, and that the torque acting to the right has no effect.
But the -29.18 is the internal torque between them, so doesn't that account for torque both sides of the gear
 
Jonski said:
But the -29.18 is the internal torque between them, so doesn't that account for torque both sides of the gear
If you do a check, that 29 N-m is the torque produced by the 11 kW motor operating at 60 Hz.

Looking at the rest if the gears on this shaft, there are much greater torque loads being applied than this piddly 29 N-m, and these torques are turning in different directions.
 
SteamKing said:
If you do a check, that 29 N-m is the torque produced by the 11 kW motor operating at 60 Hz.

Looking at the rest if the gears on this shaft, there are much greater torque loads being applied than this piddly 29 N-m, and these torques are turning in different directions.
So would it be more like:
(-29.18*0.052)/(1.57x10^-8 * 83x10^9) + (1100.82*0.092)/(J * 83x10^9) + (-249.18*0.111)/(J * 83x10^9) + (-779.18*0.138)/(J* 83x10^9)
 
Jonski said:
So would it be more like:
(-29.18*0.052)/(1.57x10^-8 * 83x10^9) + (1100.82*0.092)/(J * 83x10^9) + (-249.18*0.111)/(J * 83x10^9) + (-779.18*0.138)/(J* 83x10^9)
Something like that.

You've already calculated J for the 20 mm dia. shaft. You need to calculate J for the 38 mm shaft.
 

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