Finding Final temp for Adiabatic process

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The discussion revolves around calculating the final temperature of air in a bicycle tire after adiabatic compression, given initial conditions of pressure and temperature. The user struggles with the lack of information, such as the number of moles or volume, to apply the relevant equations. Suggestions include using the adiabatic condition to relate temperature and pressure, and considering the air in the tire as a compression of a larger volume of air at atmospheric pressure. The conversation emphasizes the need to express the adiabatic process in terms of temperature and pressure to solve the problem effectively. Overall, understanding the relationship between these variables is crucial for finding the final temperature.
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Homework Statement



A nearly flat bicycle tire becomes noticeably warmer after it has been pumped up. Approximate this process as a reversible adiabatic compression. Assume the initial pressure and temperature of the air before it is put in the tire to be Pi = 1.00 bar and Tf 287K . The final pressure in the tire is Pf = 3.75 bar.

Calculate the final temperature of the air in the tire. Assume that CV,m = 5R/2.

Homework Equations


dU=nCvmdt
dU=dw...as q=0 adiabaitc
dw=-Pexdv
using these above equations my notes derive the following
ViTic=VfTfc where c=Cvm/R
PiVi\gamma=PfVf\gamma where gamma=Cpm/Cvm

The Attempt at a Solution



I am really stuck on where to even start this problem. It seems as if i am missing info, that i need a number of moles or a volume or something. I can't seem to find a way to rearange any of the above. In other problems it boiled down to using the boring old ideal gas pv=nrt to solve for one variable but again this leaves me with 2 unknows so I am not sure what to do.

Any tips, hints, explanations anything would be a great help!\gamma
 
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can i say that So I am thinking can i say that
(Tf/Ti)^c=Vi/Vf and (Pf/Vf)^(1/gamma)=ViVf

so that (Tf/Ti)^c=(Pf/Vf)^(1/gamma)


is this legit?
 
speny83 said:
can i say that So I am thinking can i say that
(Tf/Ti)^c=Vi/Vf and (Pf/Vf)^(1/gamma)=ViVf

so that (Tf/Ti)^c=(Pf/Vf)^(1/gamma)


is this legit?
You have a couple of typos in there. Rewrite it more carefully.
 
speny83 said:

Homework Statement



A nearly flat bicycle tire becomes noticeably warmer after it has been pumped up. Approximate this process as a reversible adiabatic compression. Assume the initial pressure and temperature of the air before it is put in the tire to be Pi = 1.00 bar and Tf 287K . The final pressure in the tire is Pf = 3.75 bar.

Calculate the final temperature of the air in the tire. Assume that CV,m = 5R/2.

Homework Equations


dU=nCvmdt
dU=dw...as q=0 adiabaitc
dw=-Pexdv
using these above equations my notes derive the following
ViTic=VfTfc where c=Cvm/R
PiVi\gamma=PfVf\gamma where gamma=Cpm/Cvm

The Attempt at a Solution



I am really stuck on where to even start this problem. It seems as if i am missing info, that i need a number of moles or a volume or something. I can't seem to find a way to rearange any of the above. In other problems it boiled down to using the boring old ideal gas pv=nrt to solve for one variable but again this leaves me with 2 unknows so I am not sure what to do.

Any tips, hints, explanations anything would be a great help!\gamma
Try expressing the adiabatic condition in terms of T and P. Think of the air in the tire at the end as a compression of a much greater volume of air at atmospheric pressure into the final volume of the tire.

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