Finding Internal Resistance with a Graph: How to Derive r+δr from the Gradient?

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The discussion focuses on deriving internal resistance (r) from a circuit graph involving a variable resistor and an oscilloscope. The user is attempting to plot values of 1/V_R against 1/R to obtain a straight line, which should allow for the calculation of r from the gradient. Confusion arises regarding the shape of the graph for V_R versus R, which is initially thought to be exponential but is clarified to resemble a hyperbola. The relationship between V_R and R is explained through circuit laws, indicating that the hyperbolic shape stems from the inverse relationship in the derived equations. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly interpreting the graph shapes to derive meaningful electrical parameters.
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I got a simple circuit with an oscilloscope, a SG (with internal resistance), and a variable resistor.
r and R are in series.
for V_R=V_0*(R/R+r)
I measured a series of R and V_R values from the oscilloscope.
Now, I'm supposed to plot those values on a graph 1/V_R vs 1/R.
This should give me a straight line, and I am supposed to derive r+δr from the gradient.
But how? and from where? The graph of V_R vs R gave an expontential (I had a plateau at approx. 300 ohms)..I'm really confused
 
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1/V_R = 1/V_0 (R+r)/R = 1/V_0 (1+r/R)
If you set y=1/V_R and x=1/r, this equation is just y=1/V_0 (1+r*x), a straight line, and you can get r.

The graph of V_R vs R gave an expontential (I had a plateau at approx. 300 ohms)
It is not an exponential function.
 
Argh! You are right about the shape! It resemble a log graph actually!
Many thanks for your help.
 
safat said:
Argh! You are right about the shape! It resemble a log graph actually!
No, it follows the shape y=a - b/x, as you can see in the original equation.
 
edit. as I misunderstood your answer.

TO recap:
the graph for 1/V_R vs 1/R should give me a straight line
and the graph for V_R vs R and hyperbola?
Right?
 
ok, last question, and then I promise I will stop bothering you!
Can you explain me why (in a broad sense) the graph is an hyperbola? Which kind of relationship there is between V_R and R to lead to an hyperbola?
 
You can derive V_R=V_0*R/(R+r) from the usual circuit laws. This is equivalent to V_R=V_0 - V_0*(r/R+r)
 
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