Finding q(t) on a capacitor in an RC circuit

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The discussion focuses on finding the charge q1(t) on capacitor C1 in an RC circuit after a switch is opened. The user has applied Kirchhoff's rules to establish relationships between the charges and currents in the circuit but is struggling to eliminate certain variables. It is suggested to write a KCL equation at the node between the capacitors and differentiate existing equations to derive new relationships. By solving for q2(t), the user can subsequently find q1(t). The conversation highlights the importance of applying nodal analysis and differentiation to solve circuit problems effectively.
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The following circuit is given:
[PLAIN]http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/6369/image2lz.jpg

Switch S is closed until the charge q2 on C2 reaches its maximum, then at t=0 the switch is opened. Find q1(t).

Using Kirchkoff's rules I found:
EMF= (q1)/(C1+I2R
I2R= q2/C2
I1= I2+I3

In order to solve for q1 I need to substitute I_1=\frac{dq_1}{dt} and solve the differential equation. But I need one more equation to eliminate I3 and q2.
I was thinking of relating the charge q2 to the total charge in the circuit, but after some calculation I found that the total charge isn't constant.

At t=0 the total charge q2 on C2 is EMF*C2 and the charge on C1 is zero.
At t=\inf the total charge on both capacitors is EMFC_1C_2 / (C_1 + C_2) (since the current is zero you can combine the two capacitors using C_3^{-1}=C_1^{-1} + C_2^{-1})

any help is appreciated :-)

edit: I tried to put the kirchkoff equations in Latex, but for some reason the rest of the post becomes unreadable.
 
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Robert S said:
The following circuit is given:
[PLAIN]http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/6369/image2lz.jpg

Switch S is closed until the charge q2 on C2 reaches its maximum, then at t=0 the switch is opened. Find q1(t).

Using Kirchkoff's rules I found:
EMF= (q1)/(C1+I2R
I2R= q2/C2
I1= I2+I3

In order to solve for q1 I need to substitute I_1=\frac{dq_1}{dt} and solve the differential equation. But I need one more equation to eliminate I3 and q2.
I was thinking of relating the charge q2 to the total charge in the circuit, but after some calculation I found that the total charge isn't constant.

At t=0 the total charge q2 on C2 is EMF*C2 and the charge on C1 is zero.
At t=\inf the total charge on both capacitors is EMFC_1C_2 / (C_1 + C_2) (since the current is zero you can combine the two capacitors using C_3^{-1}=C_1^{-1} + C_2^{-1})

any help is appreciated :-)

edit: I tried to put the kirchkoff equations in Latex, but for some reason the rest of the post becomes unreadable.

I would label the output of the voltage source as V1, and the voltage between the caps as V2. Write the KCL equation at that V2 node, and solve for V2(t). Then use Q=CV to calculate the charge across C1 as a function of time.
 
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Robert S said:
Using Kirchkoff's rules I found:
EMF= (q1)/(C1+I2R

The correct form is: EMF= q1/C1+I2R

Robert S said:
I2R= q2/C2
I1= I2+I3

In order to solve for q1 I need to substitute I_1=\frac{dq_1}{dt} and solve the differential equation. But I need one more equation to eliminate I3 and q2.
You can write the first equation also as EMF=q1/C1+q2/C2, and differentiating it, you get

I1/C1+I3/C2=0

I2 is obtained from the second equation: I2=q2/(C2R)

I3=dq2/dt.

Now you can apply the Nodal Law:

I1=I2+I3

I suggest to solve for q2(t), it is easy to get q1(t) from it.

ehild
 
I didn't realize I could differentiate one equation to get a new one. Thanks! :-)
 
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