Finding Solutions to a Quartic Equation

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The discussion revolves around finding solutions to a quartic equation of the form x = (1 + 2a + a^2)x - (2a + 3a^2 + a^3)x^2 + (2a^2 + 2a^3)x^3 - a^3x^4. The original poster seeks to demonstrate that two specific solutions can be expressed in a given form involving the parameter 'a'.

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  • Participants discuss various methods to approach the problem, including dividing the equation by x, substituting the proposed solutions into the equation, and rearranging the equation into a standard form. Questions arise about the reasoning behind these approaches and the implications of substituting values.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring different strategies to manipulate the quartic equation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the substitution of proposed solutions and the algebraic manipulation required to verify them. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet, as various interpretations are being considered.

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Participants note the complexity of working with quartic equations and the potential need for algebraic techniques such as factoring and polynomial division. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their familiarity with quartics and cubics, which may influence their approach.

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I've been given the following quartic equation in a question:

[tex]x = (1 + 2a + a^2)x - (2a + 3a^2 + a^3)x^2 + (2a^2 + 2a^3)x^3 - a^3x^4[/tex]

and need to show that two of the solutions (that aren't 0 and 1) can be given by:

[tex]x= \frac{(2+a) \pm \sqrt{a^2 - 4}}{2a}[/tex]

2. The attempt at a solution

I think I have to start by dividing it all by x - when I put this new equation into wolfram alpha it gives the right answer, I just have no idea how to get there (or where to start), since I haven't done a whole lot with cubics or quartics before.
 
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I think I have to start by dividing it all by x
Can you say why you think so?
 
Why don't you just put expression given as x into the equation?
 
Hurkyl said:
Can you say why you think so?

Sorry, I left out a part of the equation above. It was actually x = [what I already gave], I've edited that in now. It just seems like that way it would be easier to rearrange into the form needed, I'm not 100% sure about that though.
 
I thought you mean f(x) = 0. Still, what I wrote above holds.
 
what did you mean by putting the expression given as x into the equation? Putting it into the second one there/the other way around?
 
Sorry if my English failed.

Substitute value of x given in the second equation for all occurrences of x in the first equation. That will yield equation in "a" - and if second equation really gives solution, equation in "a" should be just an identity.
 
You are given two putative solutions. Just put them into the equation, do the algebra, and see whether or not they satisfy the equation.
 
Would there be a reasonably simple way to get to the two results given without substituting them into the first equation? I have a feeling that I'm supposed to do it that way, and not just by replacing x with the answers given.

It seems like I could get to that form with some rearranging and factorising but I'm not sure where to begin with that, or if there's any specific techniques that might help.
 
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Go back to your original equation and rewrite in the form f(x) = 0. Observe that you can factor out ax, so your equation looks like axg(x) = 0. Now g(x) is a cubic polynomial and you know that 1 is a root. Use long division to compute g(x)/(x-1). The result is a polynomial of degree 2. Now use the quadratic formula to find its roots. You end up with the result in your first post.
 
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Thanks, that worked perfectly!
 

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