Finding the Fourier Sine Series

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The discussion revolves around finding the Fourier Sine Series for the function f(x) = x over the interval -L < x < L. Participants are focused on calculating the coefficients for the sine and cosine components of the series.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the interpretation of relationships between cosine and sine values at specific points, particularly cos(nπ) and sin(nπ). Questions arise regarding the implications of these relationships on the coefficients of the series.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the behavior of sine and cosine functions at integer multiples of π, noting that sin(nπ) equals zero for any integer n. There is an ongoing exploration of the expression cos(nπ) = (-1)^n and its relevance in the context of the series.

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Participants are navigating through interpretations and mathematical expressions without reaching a definitive conclusion on the implications of the relationships discussed. There is mention of an additional example that influenced understanding but details remain unclear.

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Find the Fourier SIne Series for f(x) = x on -L < x < L (Full Fourier)

Ok, so my issue is in calculating the coefficients for the sine and cosine parts, more so an interpretation. So I have calulated the sine and cosine series to this point:

let An: Cosine series Bn: sine series:



An = l/(n\pi)) [ sin(n\pi + sin(-n\pi)] - l/(n2\pi2) [sin(n\pi) - sin(-n\pi)]

Bn = l/(n\pi)) [ cos(n\pi + cos(-n\pi)] - l/(n2\pi2) [cos(n\pi) - cos(-n\pi)]


My questions are these: How do I interpret the relationship between cos(n\pi) and cos(-n\pi)? and the same with the sine values?

My take is this: for the sine function, since all of the sine coeffcients have a \pi in them then it doesn't matter what value I select for "n", they will all go to 0.

As for the cosine: Since cos(n\pi) and cos(-n\pi) end up going to the same value, just in opposite directions, I will have 2cos(ncos(n\pi) since cos(n\pi) = cos(-n\pi) in values.
 
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trap101 said:
Find the Fourier SIne Series for f(x) = x on -L < x < L (Full Fourier)

Ok, so my issue is in calculating the coefficients for the sine and cosine parts, more so an interpretation. So I have calulated the sine and cosine series to this point:

let An: Cosine series Bn: sine series:



An = l/(n\pi)) [ sin(n\pi + sin(-n\pi)] - l/(n2\pi2) [sin(n\pi) - sin(-n\pi)]

Bn = l/(n\pi)) [ cos(n\pi + cos(-n\pi)] - l/(n2\pi2) [cos(n\pi) - cos(-n\pi)]


My questions are these: How do I interpret the relationship between cos(n\pi) and cos(-n\pi)? and the same with the sine values?

My take is this: for the sine function, since all of the sine coeffcients have a \pi in them then it doesn't matter what value I select for "n", they will all go to 0.

Yes. ##\sin n\pi = 0## for any integer ##n##, so just leave those terms out of your series.

As for the cosine: Since cos(n\pi) and cos(-n\pi) end up going to the same value, just in opposite directions, I will have 2cos(ncos(n\pi) since cos(n\pi) = cos(-n\pi) in values.

I think you mean ##\cos(n\pi) + \cos(-n\pi) = 2\cos(n\pi)## and ##\cos(n\pi) - \cos(-n\pi) = 0##. Also sometimes you will see ##\cos(n\pi)=(-1)^n##.
 
LCKurtz said:
Yes. ##\sin n\pi = 0## for any integer ##n##, so just leave those terms out of your series.



I think you mean ##\cos(n\pi) + \cos(-n\pi) = 2\cos(n\pi)## and ##\cos(n\pi) - \cos(-n\pi) = 0##. Also sometimes you will see ##\cos(n\pi)=(-1)^n##.



Yes that actually brings up anouther question I had with regards to ##\cos(n\pi)=(-1)^n##

I noticed that they expressed a couple of final results using that expression of (-1)n. Why is that?
 
trap101 said:
Yes that actually brings up anouther question I had with regards to ##\cos(n\pi)=(-1)^n##

I noticed that they expressed a couple of final results using that expression of (-1)n. Why is that?

I don't understand your question. They are equal.
 
LCKurtz said:
I don't understand your question. They are equal.

It's ok I figured it out...there was another example with and extra (-1) that they didn't include initially so: (-1)(-1)n = (-1)n+1
 

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