Finding the local extrema or saddle points of a function

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The discussion revolves around finding local extrema or saddle points of the function f(x,y)=5xy-7x^2+3x-6y+2, with a focus on the application of the Hessian determinant to classify critical points.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to find critical points by calculating first and second partial derivatives and applying the Hessian determinant. Some participants question the accuracy of the graphing method used to visualize the function and the region plotted.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the implications of the Hessian's eigenvalues and their relationship to the classification of the critical point. There is a suggestion to verify the graphing region to ensure it includes the critical point, indicating a productive exploration of the problem.

Contextual Notes

The original poster expresses uncertainty about the presence of a saddle point based on graphical results, and there is a mention of a lack of familiarity with eigenvalues, which may affect their understanding of the discussion.

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Homework Statement


f(x,y)=5xy-7x^2+3x-6y+2


2. Homework Equations
(f_xx)(f_yy)-(f_xy)^2 the hessian or discriminant of f

The Attempt at a Solution


i arrived at a solution but i don't think its correct, and the answer isn't in the back of the book, so i just wanted to ask if i did this correctly
the first partial derivatives are f_x and f_Y are
f_x=5y-14x+3 and f_y=5x-6
setting f_y=0 i get x=6/5
plugging this value into f_x and solving for y i get 69/25
therefore my critical point is at (6/5,69/25)
the second order partial derivatives are then
f_xx=-14 f_yy=0 and f_xy=5
then using the discriminant of f i get -25 so i get a saddle point
but i graphed the function on wolfram alpha, and i doesn't seem like there is a saddle point on the graph

any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks
 
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Are you sure you plotted a region including the purported saddle point?
 
The problem when you graph it is that the eigenvalues of the Hessian are close to -16 and 1.5. So in the direction where it appears to be a maximum there is a lot of curvature, and in the direction where it appears to be a minimum there is not so much. When you graph it in wolfram alpha there's a clear parabola shape with a ridge at the top and lost due to the scaling is the fact that the ridge does curve up very gently
 
not sure what an eigenvalue is but i guess from both your responses there is a saddle point on f
how do i plot a single region in wolfram alpha? id like to see this saddle point if i can haha

thanks!
 

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