Finding the Uncertainty in the motion of a pendulum

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The discussion revolves around understanding the uncertainty in the motion of a pendulum, specifically focusing on the mathematical formulation of uncertainty in relation to a function of two variables.

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  • Participants are attempting to clarify the general formula for the variation in a function of two variables and how it relates to the uncertainty in the pendulum's motion. Questions are raised about specific steps in the original poster's work and the correctness of the expressions used.

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There is an ongoing exchange of ideas, with some participants questioning the original poster's steps and suggesting a return to fundamental concepts. Guidance has been offered regarding the formulation of uncertainty, but no consensus has been reached on the correctness of the original approach.

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Participants are navigating through the complexities of uncertainty calculations and are referencing specific formulas and methods, indicating a need for clarity on the definitions and assumptions involved.

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Homework Statement
What is the expression for the uncertainty in finding from the motion of a pendulum
g = 4π^2 L/T^2

Assuming an uncertainty in L of δL, and uncertainty in T of δT.
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g = 4π^2 L/T^2
Hi guys can someone look at my work for uncertainty and let me know if it makes sense.
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I don't even understand the first step. Where did you find that ?
Nor do I understand the last step. What are you doing there ?

What is the general formula for the (infinitesimal) variation in a function of two variables ##f(x,y)## in terms of the (infinitesimal) variation in ##x## and ##y## ?
 
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sorry just seeing your message now. Actually the question asked to show the expression of uncertainty. I asked the TA and this is apparently correct based on the method in the attached image.
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BvU said:
What is the general formula for the (infinitesimal) variation in a function of two variables f(x,y) in terms of the (infinitesimal) variation in ##x## and ##y## ?
My hunch is that this question and your
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refer to one and the same:

For a function of one variable we write (casually) $$ {df\over dx} = f'\ \Rightarrow \ df = f'\, dx $$ or (for small ##\Delta x##) : $$\Delta f \approx f'\,\Delta x$$

In the case of two variables this becomes $$df = {\partial f\over \partial x} dx + {\partial f\over \partial y} dy$$leading to (C.14) in your image for the case ##f = {x\over y}##.

In your post #1, however, you write $$ g = 4\pi^2\, {L\over T^2} $$$$ {dg\over g} = {L\over T^2}$$which is something else and simply wrong (effectively, it says ## g = 4\pi^2## ?:) )

Could it be you meant $$ {dg\over g} = { d\,{L\over T^2} \over {L\over T^2}}\quad ? $$

I suggest you go a step back to the general formula and work out ##\partial g\over \partial L## and ##\partial g\over \partial T## to come to an expression for ##dg##.

Once you fully understand that, we can work out an alternative approach using C.4 (and, as I suppose C.3).
 
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BvU said:
My hunch is that this question and your View attachment 272252 refer to one and the same:

For a function of one variable we write (casually) $$ {df\over dx} = f'\ \Rightarrow \ df = f'\, dx $$ or (for small ##\Delta x##) : $$\Delta f \approx f'\,\Delta x$$

In the case of two variables this becomes $$df = {\partial f\over \partial x} dx + {\partial f\over \partial y} dy$$leading to (C.14) in your image for the case ##f = {x\over y}##.

In your post #1, however, you write $$ g = 4\pi^2\, {L\over T^2} $$$$ {dg\over g} = {L\over T^2}$$which is something else and simply wrong (effectively, it says ## g = 4\pi^2## ?:) )

Could it be you meant $$ {dg\over g} = { d\,{L\over T^2} \over {L\over T^2}}\quad ? $$

I suggest you go a step back to the general formula and work out ##\partial g\over \partial L## and ##\partial g\over \partial T## to come to an expression for ##dg##.

Once you fully understand that, we can work out an alternative approach using C.4 (and, as I suppose C.3).
Thanks for your suggestion!
 

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