Finding total length of a parametric curve

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The discussion revolves around finding the total length of a parametric curve defined by the equations \( t \to (\cos^3(t), \sin^3(t)) \) for \( t \) in the interval from 0 to \( \frac{\pi}{2} \). Participants are exploring the mathematical formulation of arc length using integration.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the integration process for calculating arc length, including the substitution of derivatives and simplification of the integrand. Questions arise regarding the distinction between total length and partial arc length, as well as the implications of integrating over specific limits.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on simplifying the integrand before integration and have clarified the relationship between total length and partial arc length. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the integration limits and the behavior of the function beyond the specified range.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the integration should consider the positivity of sine within the specified range, and there is mention of potential issues when extending the limits of integration beyond \( \frac{\pi}{2} \).

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Homework Statement



Find the total length of the curve t --> (cos^3(t), sin^3(t)), and t is between 0 and ∏/2 where t is in radians. Find also
the partial arc length s(t) along the curve between 0 and ∏/2

Homework Equations



The length is given by:

S = ∫[itex]\sqrt{xdot^2 + ydot^2}[/itex] dt

The Attempt at a Solution



xdot = -3sin(t)cos^2(t) and ydot = 3sin^2(t)cos(t)

so subst. these into the formula gave me:

S = ∫[itex]\sqrt{9sin^2(t)cos^4(t)+9sin^4(t)cos^2(t)}[/itex]

I then used integration by subst. using u^2 = 9sin^2(t)cos^4(t)+9sin^4(t)cos^2(t)

The method I have been shown tells me to differentiate both sides and use this to subst. back into the intregal to solve.

After differentiation and some cancelling I have arrived at the following:

2u du = 18sin(t)cos^5(t) - 18cos(t)sin^5(t) dt

now I'm not sure what to do. Can anyone please help?
 
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Coolster7 said:
S = ∫[itex]\sqrt{9sin^2(t)cos^4(t)+9sin^4(t)cos^2(t)}[/itex]
Try simplifying that before trying to integrate it. One way is to convert everything to sines and see what cancels.
 
haruspex said:
Try simplifying that before trying to integrate it. One way is to convert everything to sines and see what cancels.

Thanks for the reply.

I realized that I could use the substitution u^2 = 9cos^4(t)sin^2(t) + 9sin^4(t)cos^2(t)

Now taking out a factor of 9sin^2(t)cos^2(t) gave me:

u^2 = 9sin^2(t)cos^2(t) (cos^2(t) + sin^2(t))

and now you can use that cos^2(t) + sin^2(t) = 1

which now leaves that:

u^2 = 9sin^2(t)cos^2(t)

so now you have:

u = 3sin(t)cos(t) and using the double angle formula 2sin(t)cos(t) = sin(2t)

this can become:

u = 3/2 * sin(2t)

Now you have to integrate this to solve. The question that I have now is, what is the difference between finding the total length and the partial arc length between the limits given?

Would the total length be:

-0.75cos(2t) + C

and then you apply the limits of 0 and ∏/2 to give the partial arc length?

Thanks again.
 
Coolster7 said:
Would the total length be:

-0.75cos(2t) + C
That's the indefinite integral, yes. Not sure what you mean by 'total' length.
and then you apply the limits of 0 and ∏/2 to give the partial arc length?
Yes, but I don't know why you call it the partial length. It's the length of the specified arc.
Note that if you try to take t beyond that range the length appears to go down. This is because, when you took the square root, you should have taken the positive value only. Thus, your integration step was only valid where sine is positive. To go beyond that range you'd need to split the integral into a sum of as many pieces as necessary to cope with the reversing sign.
 

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