Finding Velocity in Car Collision Impulse Problem

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the velocity of a car before a collision, given its mass and the impulse experienced during the collision. The subject area is primarily physics, focusing on concepts of impulse, momentum, and forces.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the interpretation of impulse and its units, questioning whether the impulse is correctly stated in Newtons or Newton-seconds. There are attempts to relate impulse to momentum and velocity through various equations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem statement and the implications of the units provided. Some have suggested alternative approaches to arrive at potential answers, while others express uncertainty about the reasoning behind their calculations.

Contextual Notes

There is confusion regarding the units of impulse and how they relate to the calculations being performed. The time duration of the collision is also noted as potentially misleading in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement



A 1343 kg car experiences an impulse of 30,000 N during a collision with a wall. If the collision takes 0.43 s, what was the velocity of the car just before the collision?

A) 22 m/s
B) 9 m/s
C) 51 m/s
D) 18 m/s

Homework Equations



F=dp/dt
p=mv

The Attempt at a Solution



I first tried to work backwards by doing 30,000 x .43 = dp which comes out to be 12900. Since I'm assuming the final momentum is 0, I plugged 12900 into p=mv along with 1343 and got v=9.6. I don't think 9 m/s is the answer, I'm pretty sure it's either A or D but I can't seem to come out with answer close to either. Any help is appreciated.
 
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Did you read the question correctly? The units for impulse are not Newtons.
 
AlephZero said:
Did you read the question correctly? The units for impulse are not Newtons.

30,000 N/s is what it says.
 
Bgerst103 said:
30,000 N/s is what it says.
Are you sure? The units for impulse are as for momentum. Could be kg m/s or, equivalently, Ns (Newton-seconds).
You tried multiplying by the duration, giving you units of kg m (or, Ns2), neither of which relates to any physical quantity I can think of.
Given a time, a momentum and a mass, you want a velocity. What function of the given variables will do that?
 
Replace 'impulse' with force in the problem statement and you get your answer which I think is correct, the given choices notwithstanding.
 
rude man said:
Replace 'impulse' with force in the problem statement and you get your answer which I think is correct, the given choices notwithstanding.
On the other hand, leave it as impulse, with units of Newton-seconds, and you do get one of the offered answers.
 
haruspex said:
On the other hand, leave it as impulse, with units of Newton-seconds, and you do get one of the offered answers.

I ended up getting 22 m/s by just dividing 30,000 N-s by 1343. Not completely sure why that worked but it gave me one of the two answers that I thought it could potentially be.
 
Good point, haruspex and OP. In which case I fell for the red herring of the 0.43 s.
Perhaps we'll never know the real story ...
 
Bgerst103 said:
I ended up getting 22 m/s by just dividing 30,000 N-s by 1343. Not completely sure why that worked but it gave me one of the two answers that I thought it could potentially be.

It worked because the basic equation is impulse = force F times time t = change in momentum Δp = mass m time change in velocity Δv, or

∫Fdt = Δp = mΔv + vΔm but in this case Δm = 0.

The equation follows directly from good old F = ma = m dv/dt so just move the differentials around and integrate both sides of the equation.
 

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