Finding Where an Improper Integral Converges

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of the improper integral ∫∞e(ln(x)/x)dx, with differing opinions on its evaluation. The original poster notes a discrepancy between the book's answer and their own, as well as Wolfram's results.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the nature of the integral and its limits, questioning the application of L'Hospital's Rule and the implications of indeterminate forms. There is discussion about the convergence of related integrals and the behavior of logarithmic functions as they approach infinity.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the convergence of the integral and the definitions involved. Some have provided insights into necessary conditions for convergence, while others express uncertainty about the reasoning behind divergence.

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There are references to the behavior of logarithmic functions and comparisons to known divergent series, indicating a level of complexity in understanding the integral's convergence. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations and attempts to clarify the mathematical principles at play.

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Hi all,

This is a case of a book answer going against Wolfram's and my answer.

The problem is ∫e(ln(x)/x)dx

The book claims the answer is ∞.

I would think it is a case of ∞/∞ and use L'Hospital's Rule. Wolfram has the same solution.

*= lima->∞(1/x)/1
= 0

Which would be correct?
 
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Good call. I must have typed it in incorrectly.

Is it correct that the integral diverges because lim as x approaches infinity of lnx/x is an indeterminate?

Thanks!
 
rocapp said:
Good call. I must have typed it in incorrectly.

Is it correct that the integral diverges because lim as x approaches infinity of lnx/x is an indeterminate?

Thanks!
No. Being indeterminate has nothing to do with it.

It's true that [itex]\displaystyle \lim_{x\,\to\,\infty} \frac{\ln(x)}{x}=0\,,\[/itex] as well as [itex]\displaystyle \lim_{x\,\to\,\infty} \frac{1}{x}=0\ .[/itex]

Those results are necessary conditions (but not sufficient) for [itex]\displaystyle \int_{e}^{\infty} \frac{\ln(x)}{x}\,dx\[/itex] to converge.

Does [itex]\displaystyle \int_{e}^{\infty} \frac{1}{x}\,dx\[/itex] converge?
 
No, but I'm not sure why.EDIT:

It's because ∫1/x dx = ln(x)

and ln(∞) = ∞

So since

∫ln(x)/x = ln(x)2/2, and ln(∞)2/2= ∞,

the integral diverges.

Correct?
 
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rocapp said:
No, but I'm not sure why.


EDIT:

It's because ∫1/x dx = ln(x)

and ln(∞) = ∞

So since

∫ln(x)/x = ln(x)2/2, and ln(∞)2/2= ∞,

the integral diverges.

Correct?

We know that [itex]\displaystyle \int_{e}^{\infty} \frac{1}{x}\,dx[/itex] diverges, because we know that [itex]\displaystyle \sum_{n=3}^{\infty} \frac{1}{n}[/itex] diverges.
 
But 1/infinity goes to zero, correct?
 
rocapp said:
But 1/infinity goes to zero, correct?
Yes 1/n goes to zero as n goes to ∞ . That's basically looking at the sequence [1/n] .

However, the infinite series, [itex]\displaystyle \sum \frac{1}{n}\ ,[/itex] diverges.
 
Thanks for clarifying that; I need to practice these.
 

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