Firing an object into orbit using a moon's gravity

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This discussion centers on the feasibility of launching an object into orbit around a planet using the gravitational influence of its moon. Participants agree that while a direct launch without rockets typically results in a looping trajectory, utilizing the moon's gravity may allow for a trajectory that results in a stable orbit. Key considerations include launching the object at speeds above the planet's escape velocity but below the combined escape velocity of the planet and moon. The concept of an elliptical orbit with low eccentricity is also mentioned as a potential outcome of such a launch.

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Let's say I'm on a planet and I have a space "gun" that can launch an object upwards at any speed in any direction.

Typically with this, you could not launch an object without any rockets into orbit because the best you could do is make the object loop around the planet to exactly where it started.

Now, introduce a moon orbiting the same planet. Using this moon's gravity, is it possible to construct a speed and direction for the object to be shot at so that it ends up in an orbit around the main planet?
 
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guss said:
Typically with this, you could not launch an object without any rockets into orbit because the best you could do is make the object loop around the planet to exactly where it started.

Are you sure about that?
 
guss said:
Typically with this, you could not launch an object without any rockets into orbit because the best you could do is make the object loop around the planet to exactly where it started.
That's an orbit too. I guess you mean some other orbit, which doesn't return to the launch point. If you include air resitance in the atmosphere this is already the case. You can fire it above escape velocity, but it will lose some speed in the atmosphere. But I'm not sure you could achieve a stable orbit above the atmosphere this way.

guss said:
Now, introduce a moon orbiting the same planet. Using this moon's gravity, is it possible to construct a speed and direction for the object to be shot at so that it ends up in an orbit around the main planet?
Maybe if you launch it above the Planet's escape velocity, but below the Planet+Moon escape velocity?
 
guss said:
Typically with this, you could not launch an object without any rockets into orbit because the best you could do is make the object loop around the planet to exactly where it started.

Maybe not in principle but absolutely right if you are talking about a 'normal' orbit around the Earth. With a lot of care, you could organise a 'cannon' shot to pass close enough to the Moon to deflect the craft into an orbit that would not return to its launch point. I suspect that this orbit could give you trouble 'next time around' if it came close to the Moon again and it might not be too stable. You would be after an elliptical orbit with fairly low eccentricity, I presume?
 

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