First order responce; RC circuit

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mathematical treatment of an RC circuit involving a voltage source, resistor, and capacitor. Participants explore the integration of differential equations related to the circuit's behavior, particularly focusing on the necessity of applying a negative sign during integration and the implications of using definite integrals.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the necessity of applying a negative sign before integrating the equation governing the RC circuit.
  • Another participant suggests that using definite integrals simplifies the process, as constants of integration cancel out, leading to a clearer result.
  • A participant notes that their textbook does not treat the integration as definite but acknowledges that doing so makes sense in the context of the discussion.
  • There is a mention of considering initial charge conditions when setting limits for the definite integral, indicating that the initial charge would serve as the lower limit and the voltage source charge as the upper limit.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of integrals in the context of the RC circuit. While some find the definite integral approach reasonable, others adhere to the textbook's method, indicating a lack of consensus on the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made about initial conditions and the specific treatment of integrals in the context of the circuit analysis.

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Homework Statement


Assume there is a voltage source in series with a resistor and a capacitor. Thus,
V_S=i(t)R+v_C(t)=CR\frac{dv_C}{dt}+v_C\rightarrow{}dt/(RC)=dv_C/(V_S-v_C)
From this point I understand that one has to apply a negative sign to both sides before integrating, but why is it essential to do this mathematically?
Why can one simply not do
e^{t/(RC)}e^D=V_S-v_C(t) where D is some constant determined by the state of the circuit before?
 
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The integrals to be performed are definite integrals:
\int_0^{V_c} \frac{1}{V_s - V_c}dV_c = \int_0^t \frac{1}{R C} dt
As such the constants of integration cancel out, and you're left with:
ln(V_s) - ln(V_s - V_c) = \frac{t}{R C}
ln(\frac{V_s - V_c}{V_s}) = -\frac{t}{R C}
and so on.
 
Nevermind, thanks for the help!
 
@ gneil
My textbook does not analyze it as a definite integral, but it certainly makes sense to do it in that way. Just a few things, when analyzing differential circuits in this way, if the capacitor had an initial charge one would have the initial charge as the lower limit, with the charge on the voltage source being the upper?
 
sandy.bridge said:
@ gneil
My textbook does not analyze it as a definite integral, but it certainly makes sense to do it in that way. Just a few things, when analyzing differential circuits in this way, if the capacitor had an initial charge one would have the initial charge as the lower limit, with the charge on the voltage source being the upper?

Sure. That would work.
 

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