First principles/induction proof

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The discussion revolves around proving the formula for the sum of the first n natural numbers, expressed as 1 + 2 + 3 + ... + n = n(n+1)/2, using both first principles and mathematical induction.

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  • The original poster expresses difficulty in starting the proof and seeks suggestions for both methods. Some participants suggest considering the sum in reverse order as a potential approach. Others clarify the meaning of adding the two sums together and discuss the inductive proof process, including establishing a base case and the inductive step.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different methods of proof. While some guidance has been provided regarding the inductive approach, there is still a lack of clarity on the first principles method, indicating that multiple interpretations are being considered.

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1 + 2 + 3 + ... + n = n(n+1)/2

I need to prove this by first principles and by induction.

I am extraordinarily stuck with this and don't really know where to begin, I've tried writing the LHS in terms of n then trying to simplify but am pretty much stuck. Any suggestions of how to begin for either method would be very much appreciated!
 
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This is an arithmetic progression with d=1. To start off, imagine the sum:
n + n-1 + n-2 + ... + 1 , which is the same as the above, but written in the reverse order. What happens if you add one sum to the other?
 
Sorry for my lack of understanding but what do you mean by this..

What happens if you add one sum to the other?

do you mean what happens when you add n + (n-1) + (n-2) and so on? Because if that's what you mean i have no idea >.<
 
He means what happens when you sum

1 + 2 + 3 + ... n-2 + n-1 + n
n + n-1 + n-2 + ... + 3 + 2 + 1
 
scast said:
He means what happens when you sum

1 + 2 + 3 + ... n-2 + n-1 + n
n + n-1 + n-2 + ... + 3 + 2 + 1

This is all fine, but the OP needs an inductive proof. Begin by showing the formula is true for say n=1. Let's call P(n)=n(n+1)/2. Now assume 1+...+n=P(n). You want to prove 1+...+(n+1)=P(n+1). Take the difference of the two equations. (n+1)=P(n+1)-P(n). Can you prove that? That's the inductive step.
 
No, the OP said he needed and proof "from first principles" and an inductive proof. forty and scast were trying to lead him to the first.
 

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