Fixed points of conjugate functions

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The problem involves the relationship between two conjugate functions, f and g, and their fixed points. The original poster attempts to show that if p is an attractive fixed point of f, then h(p) is an attractive fixed point of g, where h is a continuous bijection linking the two functions.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the implications of continuity of h and how it relates to the convergence of sequences under the functions f and g. There is an exploration of how sequences in the basin of attraction for f relate to their images under h and the corresponding behavior under g.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the concepts and attempting to clarify their understanding of the relationships between the functions and their fixed points. Some guidance has been offered regarding the continuity of h and its role in establishing neighborhoods around fixed points, but there is no explicit consensus on the strength of the arguments presented.

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There is a focus on the properties of continuous functions and their effects on convergent sequences, particularly in the context of first countable spaces like the real numbers. The discussion also touches on the definitions of attractive fixed points and the necessary conditions for convergence.

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Homework Statement



suppose f and g are conjugate

show that if p is an attractive fixed point of f(x), then h(p) is an attractive fixed point of g(x).

Homework Equations



f and g being conjugate means there exist continuous bijections h and h^-1 so that h(f(x)) = g(h(x))

a point p is an attractive fixed point of there exists an interval I = (p-a,p+a) such that for all x in I the iterates of f(x) tend to p as the number of iterations tends to infinity

The Attempt at a Solution



so far I can show that if p is a fixed point of f then h(p) is a fixed point of g:
h(f(p)) = g(h(p)) and we know f(p) = p so simplify to get
h(p) = g(h(p)) and this part is now done.

Also, I know that if x is in I, then h(x) is in h(I)

what I want to show is that for all x in h(I), gn(x) -> h(p)
(that is, the iterates of x under g converge to h(p))
and that's as far as I've gotten. How can I proceed?
 
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h being continuous means for any convergent sequence {x_n}→x, h(x_n)→h(x). Now you have a sequence of f(x_n) that converges to f(x), what about their image sequence under h?
 
Sorry Sunjin I might have missed what you were getting at but here's an attempt:

we have a sequence {x, f(x), f(f(x)), ...} which has x as some point in the basin of attraction of a fixed point p, but not equal to p, that converges to f(p)=p. Similarly, if we apply h to every element in this sequence, we get {h(x), h(f(x)), ...} which converges to h(f(p)) = h(p).

I think that on a test I could make a somewhat convincing argument that goes like this, but is this what you were thinking of? it seems right to me, because we know it works for ANY x in the basin of attraction of the fixed point, and since h is bijective and we have that h(f(x)) = g(h(x)) then every point in the sequence has an image in the space that J is in and eventually converges to h(p), the image under h of the limit of the sequence

Is this strong enough? have I missed the point?

Thanks a lot : )
 
you mentioned that h is continuous. Is this the reason that we can find a neighbourhood N around our fixed point such that the sequence of iterates of any point in the neighbourhood converged to the fixed point? And hence there is an analogous neighbourhood h(N) where the same is true for iterates of g(h(x)) except that they converge to the fixed point g(h(p)) = h(p)
 
A continuous funcation preserves convergent sequences is the key. (This applies to functions defined on a first countable space. R is certainly first countable, but this theorem in real analysis is proved using ordinary definition of limit and convergence.)
 

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