Flipping Functions: Determining Vertical/Horizontal Flips

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The problem involves analyzing two graphs related to the function f(x) = 3√x, which is interpreted as either the square root of x cubed or the cube root of x. The task is to determine the function for a transformed graph that is vertically shifted and horizontally shifted, while also considering whether the transformations represent vertical or horizontal flips.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the interpretation of the function notation and the implications of different transformations on the graph. Questions are raised about distinguishing between vertical and horizontal flips, particularly when the visual representation appears similar. Some participants express confusion over the notation used for the function and its implications.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants clarifying the notation and exploring the properties of the cube root function. Some guidance has been offered regarding the transformations, but there is no explicit consensus on the interpretation of the flips or the notation used.

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There is uncertainty regarding the correct interpretation of the function notation, with participants questioning whether it refers to the square root of x cubed or the cube root of x. This ambiguity affects the understanding of the transformations being discussed.

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The problem shows two graphs, the first of which is just f(x)=3√x (square root of x cubed -not sure how to make it look like that-) and it wants me to give a function for the graph on the right.
The second graph is flipped, vertically shifted 1 up f(x)+ 1 and horizontally shifted 2 right f(x-2).
My problem is/was I can't determine if it is a vertical or horizontal flip because square root of x cubed looks the same both ways. So I have an assumption, I would like to know if it's correct and a question.

It would have to be a vertical flip because a negative can be on the outside of a square root but not inside and still be a function?

Also if I come across this problem again, and the horizontal and vertical flip would both look the same what are some better ways of determining which it is?
 
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soulmartyr said:
The problem shows two graphs, the first of which is just f(x)=3√x (square root of x cubed -not sure how to make it look like that-)

The square root of x cubed looks like this \sqrt{x^3} but I'm assuming what you meant to say is the cube root of x? \sqrt[3]{x} Like that?

soulmartyr said:
It would have to be a vertical flip because a negative can be on the outside of a square root but not inside and still be a function?
Not true. Since it's a cube root, you can have a negative inside of it with no complications.
For example, the cube root of negative 8 is negative two, and the cube root of positive 8 is positive 2.

soulmartyr said:
My problem is/was I can't determine if it is a vertical or horizontal flip because square root of x cubed looks the same both ways.
It looks the same, because it IS the same. There is no difference between a horizontal and vertical flip (in this case)

To flip it horizontally, you replace x with negative x (because you want to 'flip' the x axis) and so you get f(x)=\sqrt[3]{-x}

To flip it vertically you replace y (or "f(x)") with negative y (because you want to 'flip' the y axis) so you get f(x)=-\sqrt[3]{x}


Let's compare those two functions.
Not only do they look the same visually (which is what is confusing you) but they ARE the same.

Look:

\sqrt[3]{-x}=\sqrt[3]{(-1)(x)}=\sqrt[3]{-1}\sqrt[3]{x}=-1\sqrt[3]{x}=-\sqrt[3]{x}



So you see, it truly does not matter which way you do it. Not visually, and not mathematically.
 
soulmartyr said:
The problem shows two graphs, the first of which is just f(x)=3√x (square root of x cubed -not sure how to make it look like that-)
This is very confusing. You wrote 3√x, which is 3 times the square root of x. You described this as the square root of x cubed, which could be either this --
$$\sqrt{x^3}$$
or this --
$$(\sqrt{x})^3$$

How you wrote it makes me think that you meant the cube root of x, which is ##\sqrt[3]{x}##. Which one is your problem?
soulmartyr said:
and it wants me to give a function for the graph on the right.
The second graph is flipped, vertically shifted 1 up f(x)+ 1 and horizontally shifted 2 right f(x-2). My problem is/was I can't determine if it is a vertical or horizontal flip because square root of x cubed looks the same both ways. So I have an assumption, I would like to know if it's correct and a question.

It would have to be a vertical flip because a negative can be on the outside of a square root but not inside and still be a function?

Also if I come across this problem again, and the horizontal and vertical flip would both look the same what are some better ways of determining which it is?
 
Mark44 said:
How you wrote it makes me think that you meant the cube root of x, which is ##\sqrt[3]{x}##. Which one is your problem?

What makes me even more certain that they meant \sqrt[3]{x} is that they said (or implied) that the function is odd.
 
Nathanael said:
The square root of x cubed looks like this \sqrt{x^3} but I'm assuming what you meant to say is the cube root of x? \sqrt[3]{x} Like that?

I did mean cube root of X
ty and sorry for the confusion

your comparison was very helpful ty

Where do I learn how to make the rest of the symbols, besides the 'Quick symbols' given
 
soulmartyr said:
I did mean cube root of X
ty and sorry for the confusion

your comparison was very helpful ty

Where do I learn how to make the rest of the symbols, besides the 'Quick symbols' given

If you look at the top on the very right there's a sigma symbol \Sigma which has a lot more symbols (it can sometimes be annoying to find what you're looking for at first)

A lot of them are simple though, and so if you use them enough you'll just type it out by hand

(for example, "x^2" gives you x^2)
 
awesome thanks again
 

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