Fluid Dynamics - Small velocity field

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The discussion revolves around fluid dynamics, specifically the behavior of a small velocity field in an inviscid, incompressible fluid that is rotating uniformly. The original poster presents equations governing the evolution of the velocity field and seeks to derive a final equation by eliminating the components of the velocity vector.

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  • Participants explore the implications of uniform angular velocity and question the validity of certain terms in the equations presented. There is discussion about the incompressibility condition and its effect on the derived equations.

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Some participants have made progress in deriving parts of the equations, while others express confusion regarding the relationships between the terms. There is acknowledgment of differing interpretations of the equations, and some guidance has been offered regarding the continuity equation.

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Participants note the complexity of the problem, particularly in transitioning from two-dimensional to three-dimensional considerations. There is a mention of time constraints due to an upcoming exam, which may affect the depth of engagement with the problem.

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Suppose an inviscid, incompressible fluid is rotating uniformly with angular velocity [tex]\Omega[/tex]. Take Cartesian axes fixed in a frame rotating with that angular velocity.

Show that the evolution of a SMALL velocity field, [tex]u_1 = (u_1, v_1, w_1)[/tex], relative to the rotating axes and starting from rest is governed by...
[tex]\frac{\partial u_1}{\partial t} + 2 \Omega \times u_1 = -\frac{1}{\rho} \nabla p_1[/tex]
[tex]\nabla \cdot u_1 = 0[/tex]

By eliminating u1, v1 and w1 , show that
[tex](\frac{\partial^2}{\partial t^2}(\frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2} +\frac{\partial^2}{\partial y^2} + \frac{\partial^2}{\partial z^2}) + 4 \Omega^2 \frac{\partial^2}{\partial z^2})p_1 = 0[/tex]First of I have to show that...

[tex]2\Omega ( \frac{\partial u_1}{\partial y} - \frac{\partial v_1}{\partial x} ) = -\frac{1}{\rho} \nabla^2 p_1[/tex]
and
[tex]2\Omega ( \frac{\partial u_1}{\partial x} + \frac{\partial v_1}{\partial y} ) = \frac{\partial}{\partial t} ( \frac{\partial u_1}{\partial y} - \frac{\partial v_1}{\partial x})[/tex]

Which I can sort of do by taking dot product/cross product with respect to nabla except I can't justify why...
[tex](u_1 \cdot \nabla)2\Omega = 0[/tex]
and I don't see how the left hand side of...
[tex]2\Omega ( \frac{\partial u_1}{\partial x} + \frac{\partial v_1}{\partial y} ) = \frac{\partial}{\partial t} ( \frac{\partial u_1}{\partial y} - \frac{\partial v_1}{\partial x})[/tex]
is not zero as it should be given the incompressible condition.
 
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does it not say that the angular velocity is uniform?

The final equation comes from taking the curl of Eulers equation.

Mat
 
hunt_mat said:
does it not say that the angular velocity is uniform?
Mat

Do you mean for this equation?

[tex](u_1 \cdot \nabla)2\Omega = 0[/tex]

If so then yeah I know it should've been something else there but I've sorted that part anyway now (latex wasn't showing earlier so probably added wrong equation).

hunt_mat said:
The final equation comes from taking the curl of Eulers equation.
Mat

Ok I can derive that last equation (the very last one in the OP) but the left hand side should be zero due to incompressibility should it not. Even with that sorted I still don't see how to get the equation I'm after. (The one lacking u1,v1 and w1)...
 
What do you get?
 
hunt_mat said:
What do you get?

For what? After getting these equations...

[tex]2\Omega ( \frac{\partial u_1}{\partial y} - \frac{\partial v_1}{\partial x} ) = -\frac{1}{\rho} \nabla^2 p_1[/tex]
and
[tex]2\Omega ( \frac{\partial u_1}{\partial x} + \frac{\partial v_1}{\partial y} ) = \frac{\partial}{\partial t} ( \frac{\partial u_1}{\partial y} - \frac{\partial v_1}{\partial x})[/tex]

I can't see any way to use them to get the final equation.
 
I am confused slightly, at one point you're referring to [itex]\Omega[/itex] as a vector and then as a scalar. can you tell me what the vector [itex]\Omega[/itex] is please.
Just to make thing clear, you're writing the Euler equation as:
[tex] \frac{\partial\mathbf{u}}{\partial t}=-\frac{1}{\rho}\nabla p[/tex]
As the velocity field is small, you're ignoring the advection term?
 
Ok I think I'm just going to have to leave this question alone.

This thread has only confused me more.
 
Lighthill did some work on this, you might want to check his stuff.
 
hunt_mat said:
Lighthill did some work on this, you might want to check his stuff.

Don't really have time to be honest. Fluid dynamics exam today and this was only question out of 50 from our book or so that I can't do. I suppose I just need to know one thing which is why is the left hand side of [tex]2\Omega ( \frac{\partial u_1}{\partial x} + \frac{\partial v_1}{\partial y} ) = \frac{\partial}{\partial t} ( \frac{\partial u_1}{\partial y} - \frac{\partial v_1}{\partial x})[/tex] not zero? (Or is it and the author just chose to be awkward and write it like that?)

Omega is the angular velocity so is just [tex](0,0,\omega)[/tex] as standard.
 
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I think it is because the continuity equations is:
[tex] \frac{\partial u_{1}}{\partial x}+\frac{\partial v_{1}}{\partial y}+\frac{\partial w_{1}}{\partial z}=0[/tex]
and so:
[tex] \frac{\partial u_{1}}{\partial x}+\frac{\partial v_{1}}{\partial y}=-\frac{\partial w_{1}}{\partial z}[/tex]
 
  • #11
hunt_mat said:
I think it is because the continuity equations is:
[tex] \frac{\partial u_{1}}{\partial x}+\frac{\partial v_{1}}{\partial y}+\frac{\partial w_{1}}{\partial z}=0[/tex]
and so:
[tex] \frac{\partial u_{1}}{\partial x}+\frac{\partial v_{1}}{\partial y}=-\frac{\partial w_{1}}{\partial z}[/tex]

Oh **** sakes we're in 3 dimensions with this question aren't we...
 
  • #12
That was you're problem?
 
  • #13
hunt_mat said:
That was you're problem?

Just for that small part. 49 questions all in 2D so was sort of used to that.

But no I still can't get the final solution. But doesn't matter tbh.
 

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