Fluid mechanics: Some elementary concepts

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This thread discusses elementary concepts in fluid mechanics, focusing on various descriptions of fluid motion, key theorems, and principles relevant to inviscid flow. The scope includes theoretical aspects and potential applications in engineering contexts.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant introduces the distinction between particle and field descriptions in fluid mechanics, mentioning Lagrangian and Eulerian formalism.
  • There is a proposal to explore concepts such as particle trajectories, streamlines, material curves, and streak lines.
  • Basic derivations related to inviscid flow are mentioned, including Bernoulli's equation and various theorems like Crocco's and Kelvin's.
  • Another participant expresses interest in the discussion but suggests an engineering-oriented approach to the material.
  • A detailed guideline for a tutorial is proposed, emphasizing foundational topics like fluid kinematics, integral balance equations, and flow characteristics at different Reynolds numbers.
  • Concerns are raised about the inclusion of Luke's principle and Clebsch flow in a tutorial, with one participant acknowledging their importance but questioning their relevance for a broader overview.
  • Another participant defends the inclusion of Luke's variational principle, highlighting its elegance and significance in potential theory and variational calculus.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of certain advanced concepts in a tutorial setting. While some advocate for a more comprehensive approach, others prefer a focus on foundational topics. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best way to present fluid mechanics concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants have varying levels of familiarity with advanced principles, and there is a lack of consensus on the appropriate scope for a tutorial on fluid mechanics.

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In this thread, I will explore some elementary concepts in fluid mechanics, starting with the distinction between a particle description and a field description (Lagrangian vs. Eulerian formalism).
I will continue by distinguishing between the concepts of particle trajectories, streamlines, material curves and streak lines.
Furthermore, I'll look into the basic derivations we may make with these concepts in inviscid flow, namely Bernoulli's equation, Crocco's theorem, Kelvin's theorem, Helmholtz' theorem for vortex lines,and the helicity theorem.
Lastly, I'll look into the assumptions behind irrotational, i.e, potential flow, the generalized potential flow known as the Clebsch flow, and the elegant principle known as Luke's principle of variation.

Quite a bit more to follow in a while..
 
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I am interested seeing some of this stuff if you're still interested in going through it.
 
arildno said:
In this thread, I will explore some elementary concepts in fluid mechanics, starting with the distinction between a particle description and a field description (Lagrangian vs. Eulerian formalism).
I will continue by distinguishing between the concepts of particle trajectories, streamlines, material curves and streak lines.
Furthermore, I'll look into the basic derivations we may make with these concepts in inviscid flow, namely Bernoulli's equation, Crocco's theorem, Kelvin's theorem, Helmholtz' theorem for vortex lines,and the helicity theorem.
Lastly, I'll look into the assumptions behind irrotational, i.e, potential flow, the generalized potential flow known as the Clebsch flow, and the elegant principle known as Luke's principle of variation.
Quite a bit more to follow in a while..



If you finally do this stuff, honestly I think your point of view should be a more "engineering oriented" one. I have been studying fluid mechanics during 3 years when undergrad and now doing the Ph.D. in aerospace engineering, and I have never heard about Luke's principle nor Clebsch flow. I'm pretty sure they exist and they are important, but I think they are not the kind of stuff you should include in a tutorial for giving the big picture of this science.

To my understanding a better guideline could be something like:

i) Fluid Kinematics: Eulerian description, Pathlines, Streamlines, Streaklines.
ii) Integral Balance Equations: Continuity, Momentum, Total Energy, Kinetic Energy, Enthalpy and Entropy. Incompressibility assumption. Vorticity Equation.
iii) Differential forms. Reynolds Transport Theorem.
iv) Non dimensional Relevant Parameters.
v) Flow at low Reynolds. Poiseuille and Couette Flows. Stokes Equations. Oseen's approximation. Hydrodynamic Lubrication.
vi) Flow at high Reynolds. Boundary Layer. Blausius Similarity Solution. Bernoulli Equation.
vii) Compressible Flow. Rankine-Hugoniot equations. Shock Waves and Expansion Fans.
viii) Classical Hydrodynamics. Surface Gravity Waves. Shallow Water equations. Flow over obstacles.
viii) Stratified Flow. Bousinessq approximation. Buoyancy frequency. Internal Waves.
ix) Turbulent Flow. RANS equations. Reynolds stress tensor. Auschtag Viscosity coefficient. Closure problem. Boussinesq approximation. Round Turbulent Jet.
 
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Good ideas. I had quite forgotten about this thread.
 
Clausius2 said:
... I have never heard about Luke's principle nor Clebsch flow. I'm pretty sure they exist and they are important, but I think they are not the kind of stuff you should include in a tutorial for giving the big picture of this science.
Luke's variational principle is quite elegant and worth to mention especially when potential theory is on the scene. Even, variational calculus itself is a must for anyone interested in fluid mechanics. Finite element people are quite good at dealing with the variational form of the partial differential equations.
 

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