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For a monoid, if uv = 1, do we know vu = 1?

  1. May 28, 2009 #1
    If [itex]M[/itex] is a monoid and [itex]u,v\in M[/itex], and [itex]uv = 1[/itex], do we know [itex]vu = 1[/itex]? Can someone prove this or provide a counterexample? I tried to come up with one (a counterexample, that is) using 2 x 2 matrices but was unsuccessful.
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  3. May 29, 2009 #2


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    [tex] uv=1[/tex]
    If there exists a w such that:
    Then by associativity:
    Thus if such a w exists it must be u.

    This isn't quite enough but I can't find a short proof either. I'll think on it.
  4. May 29, 2009 #3

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    The canonical example is left and right shift of a sequence or countable dimensional vector space.

    L(a,b,c,d,...) = (b,c,d,....)


    LR=id, and RL=/=id.

    You won't find one in 2x2 matrices - the invertible ones form a group, so there's no point looking.
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