Force on a current carrying wire

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A current-carrying wire bent into a semicircle within a uniform magnetic field experiences zero net magnetic force due to the symmetry of the forces acting on the wire segments. The magnetic force on the semicircular segment cancels out with the force on the straight segment, resulting in no net force on the closed loop. To analyze this mathematically, one can apply the Lorentz force law, considering the contributions from each segment of the wire. Practical applications of this principle include devices like speakers and electric motors, which operate based on the interaction of current and magnetic fields. Understanding these concepts is crucial for experiments involving electromagnetic forces.
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A current‐carrying wire bent into a semicircle of radius r forms a close circuit as shown in the figure. A uniform magnetic field is directed normal to the linear section and in the plane of the loop. Show that the magnetic force acting on the closed wire loop is zero.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Semicircle.svg

b)
List three items which operate on the principle “force acting on a current‐carrying conductor in a magnetic field”.

- n.b these aren't homework questions, I'm doing an experiment tomorrow and this was in a book I'm reading (related to the experiment)

I'm not sure how to solve the first one, can I do this mathematically? or is it more of a geometrical problem?

b - not sure if I know any practical applications of force on a current carrying wire,
All i can think of is the magneto in microwaves
anyone know any?
 
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vorcil said:
b - not sure if I know any practical applications of force on a current carrying wire,
All i can think of is the magneto in microwaves
anyone know any?

I can think of two applications that are in your computer. You can probably hear one of them, and you listen to the other every day.
 
vorcil said:
I'm not sure how to solve the first one, can I do this mathematically? or is it more of a geometrical problem?
How do you find the magnetic force on a current-carrying wire?
 
Doc Al said:
How do you find the magnetic force on a current-carrying wire?

Use the lorentz force law,

Fmag = Q*(v*b)

then use the right hand rule, it says the magnetic field is into the semi circle, perpendicular to it's normal

not really sure how to solve it from here
 
vorcil said:
Use the lorentz force law,

Fmag = Q*(v*b)
When dealing with a current, use:
\vec{F} = \vec{I}\ell \times \vec{B}
 
vorcil said:
how do i show that the magnetic force is 0 in the semicircle
What makes you think that the force on the semicircle is zero?

What's the force on the straight segment?

Hint: Find the force on an element of the semicircle, then integrate over the entire segment.
 
Doc Al said:
What makes you think that the force on the semicircle is zero?

What's the force on the straight segment?

Hint: Find the force on an element of the semicircle, then integrate over the entire segment.

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/6398/questionk.jpg

that's why i think it's 0, the question basically says it

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would i get the circumference

(2*pi*r)/2 + (2r) = the length
= pi*r + 2r = total length of wire,

it's a closed loop with no apparent battery source
 
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vorcil said:
that's why i think it's 0, the question basically says it
There are two segments: the semicircular segment and the straight segment. The net force on the entire closed loop is zero. To show that, compute the force on each segment.
 
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