Force Required to Tip a Block of wood?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the force required to tip a block of wood placed on a smooth frictionless surface. Participants explore the mechanics involved in tipping the block, including the role of pivot points and the effects of acceleration.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes an experiment involving a wooden block and seeks to calculate the minimum force required to tip it over, considering its mass, height, and length.
  • Another participant suggests analyzing the motion from a non-inertial frame, introducing the concept of a pseudoforce acting at the block's center of mass, which could affect the torque calculations.
  • A later reply reiterates the idea of using the lower left edge as a pivot point while questioning how to account for the imaginary force when determining the applied force F.
  • There is uncertainty regarding the placement of the pivot and how it may change as the block begins to tip.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate pivot point and the implications of using a non-inertial frame, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a consensus on the calculations or the effects of the accelerating frame on the force required to tip the block. There are unresolved questions about the role of the pivot point and the nature of the forces involved.

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Hi everyone,

Please refer to the attached diagram.

I was playing around with pulling tablecloths out from the bottom of plates and objects resting on it, and was getting good results. I also happened to have a cuboid wooden paperweight which was on the table cloth and I noticed that that wooden block would tip and stand up if I didn't pull hard enough (but enough to make it tip).

This got me thinking how I would calculate the force required to be exerted on the block in order to achieve this effect. I haven't been able to figure out anything yet, so I would like some inputs. I reformed the effect in the form of a question:

A block of wood with mass M, height h and length l is placed on a smooth frictionless surface. A force F is applied at the bottom left edge of the wooden block, causing it to pivot at that edge, counter-clockwise upwards till it is standing up. Find the minimum force required.

If one were to consider moments, where would one use as a pivot? If it were at the bottom edge, then F wouldn't generate a torque, and it wouldn't tip. Anywhere else on the cube and the pivot will also rise (will that cause any problems?).
 

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Realize that as soon as you apply the force F, the block will accelerate. The easiest way to analyze the motion is from the view of the non-inertial frame co-moving with the block. In that frame you need to add a pseudoforce that acts at the block's center of mass. In effect you'll have two forces exerting a torque about the lower left hand corner (a fine pivot point)--figure out when one is great enough to overcome the other.
 
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Realize that as soon as you apply the force F, the block will accelerate. The easiest way to analyze the motion is from the view of the non-inertial frame co-moving with the block. In that frame you need to add a pseudoforce that acts at the block's center of mass. In effect you'll have two forces exerting a torque about the lower left hand corner (a fine pivot point)--figure out when one is great enough to overcome the other.

Thanks for the help but I still can't figure out how much that imaginary force would be. Will taking the view of the non-inertial frame comoving with the block, would that also affect how I find force F (which I have to minus the accelerating force?). I have no clue where to place the pivot given that it will rise when the block starts tipping.
 
Viewed from a non-inertial frame that accelerates to the right, there will be an imaginary force to the left equal to ma. Since F is the accelerating force, the imaginary force will equal F. As I said before, use the lower left edge as your pivot.
 

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