Forces and Moments acting on an entire system.

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The discussion focuses on determining the forces and moments acting on a ceiling-mounted bicycle rack with specific dimensions and a weight of 200 N. Participants calculate moments at points B and C, concluding that a horizontal force at point A may be necessary for balance, although some express uncertainty about the problem's requirements. It is suggested that taking moments about point C could yield clearer results, as the force at A may not be applicable if no vertical force acts there. The clarity of the problem statement is questioned, with suggestions that a horizontal force at A would make more sense. The overall goal is to establish a complete understanding of the forces and moments acting on the entire rack system.
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Homework Statement


The ceiling-mounted bicycle rack (shown in "Capture" image in attachments) with dimensions p = 50 mm, q = 1000 mm and r = 150 mm for a bicycle that weighs F = 200 N.

The rack is to be made from two parts, ABC and BD, cut from a steel tube and then welded together at B.

Determine the forces and moments acting on the whole rack, ABCD.


Homework Equations



The only equations that I can see would be relevant here are the force and moment equations:
M = (F*d)
Ʃ M = 0
Ʃ F = o

The Attempt at a Solution



I have found M(of B) and M(of C) by doing the following:

M(of B) = 200*0.15 = 30Nm Clockwise

Therefore, 30 = 0.05*F(at A), so F(at A) = 600N

So... M(of C) = 1.05*600 = 630Nm Clockwise.

So I have found M at points B and C, and the force at A, however I am not confident that is what's required of the question. What does it mean by "the forces and moments acting on the whole rack ABCD"??
 

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There seems to be something missing in the problem statement. I gather from your attempted solution that there is a a horizontal force FA at A.
proctortom said:
I have found M(of B) and M(of C) by doing the following:

M(of B) = 200*0.15 = 30Nm Clockwise

Therefore, 30 = 0.05*F(at A), so F(at A) = 600N
If you are taking moments about B then you must consider a contribution from the force at C. It does not necessarily act vertically. Better might be to take moments about C.
 
haruspex said:
There seems to be something missing in the problem statement. I gather from your attempted solution that there is a a horizontal force FA at A.

If you are taking moments about B then you must consider a contribution from the force at C. It does not necessarily act vertically. Better might be to take moments about C.

There is no acting force on A. I just calculated that because if there is a moment at B, then having the 200N force at D would be the equivalent of having a Force of 600N at A. Am I wrong?
 
proctortom said:
There is no acting force on A. I just calculated that because if there is a moment at B, then having the 200N force at D would be the equivalent of having a Force of 600N at A. Am I wrong?
Yes, that'd be wrong. If there's no force acting below B then the piece of the rack below B is irrelevant. Just take moments about C.
The question is fairly clear: what are all the forces and moments acting on the rack, assuming it stays in balance?

All that said, the question looks strange to me. It would be more reasonable if there were a horizontal force at A.
 
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