Forces on a string applied perpendicular / tangent direction

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The discussion revolves around the forces acting on a nylon thread used in suturing tissue, specifically examining how the direction of force application (perpendicular versus pulling) affects the tension in the thread and the potential for tissue failure. The scope includes theoretical considerations and practical implications in a medical context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a 500g-force remains constant regardless of the direction of application, but acknowledges that the effects on the suture and tissue may vary with different angles.
  • Another participant points out that the distribution of force across the thread changes based on how the force is applied, noting that each attachment point supports a fraction of the total force.
  • There is a consideration of how the length, width, and angles of the suture might influence the tension experienced in different scenarios.
  • A later reply clarifies that the application of force at different points (one versus three locations) significantly impacts the tension in the thread.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how the direction of force application affects the tension in the thread and the implications for tissue failure. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific effects of perpendicular force application compared to pulling.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that various factors such as the length and width of the suture, as well as the angles of force application, could influence the outcomes, but these aspects are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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Hello guys,

I've had the following discussion at work:

We are currently using a suture with a nylon thread on a tissue, when the thread of the suture is tightened in a force equal to if we've put a 500 gram weight on both ends of the suture line (meaning both end are tied together to the weight).
The assumption is that in this mode, the tissue will fail with a load higher than that.

We were wondering, if the force was applied perpendicularly (direction of the screen) would the max wight change from 500 gram to another value?

Would love a direction to some equations to rationalize my first instinct of saying "No!" :-)

Thanks!

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It does not matter which direction the force is applied - a 500g-force is a 500g-force.
The effect this has on the suture/tissue may be different at different angles.

Note: two ends tied and attached to 500g - each thread has to support 250g + whatever lateral forces are produced by pulling on the tissue. That's something like 250g tension in the thread.

Your diagram has a total of 500g-force applied at three places on the thread ... So each attachment point is supporting 500/3 g-force ... and each is basically the same as two ends, so the tension in the thread is 500/6 g-force.

S the answer kinda depends on the specifics of the question you want to ask.
 
Hi, thanks.
Yes I recon it depends on things like the length of the suture, its width, angles and so on.
But assuming both are identical for the two cases, the tension of the suture would still be 500/6 even if we apply it in at the direction of the screen instead of "pulling it" like in pic 1 (?)
 
In one pic the weight is applied to only one location in the loop - in the other pic the force is applied to three locations at the same time - if I read that right. That's what makes the biggest difference since it's the same total force.
 

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