Four particles form a square with different charges

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving four charged particles arranged in a square, where the goal is to determine the relationship between the charges for the net electrostatic force on particles 1 and 4 to be zero. Participants express confusion over the application of vector notation and the calculations required to find the forces acting on each particle. The forces between the particles are analyzed, with emphasis on the attractive and repulsive interactions based on their charge signs. A key point is that the net force condition requires balancing the attractive forces from particles 2 and 3 against the repulsive force from particle 4. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding vector components and symmetry in solving electrostatic problems.
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Four particles form a square. The charges are q1= q4=Q and q2=q3=q. a) what is Q/q if the net electrostatic force on particles 1 and 4 is zero? B) is there any value of q that makes the net electrostatic force on each of the four particles zero? Explain.

Spending way too much time on this problem!

I know that Fnet = F1 + F2 +...

also F = K (absq1)(absq2)/ r^2

absolutely clueless
 
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Are you familiar with vector notation?
 
kind of not really
 
i think i got it but i don't understand why you are adding here to get the force of q4 on q1 here using cos and sin...F 41 = − Q⋅Q4πε 0 ⋅ 2a2 cos 45°iˆ + Q⋅Q/4π ε0 ⋅ 2a2 sin 45°
 
i think a sketch would help you to understand:

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I assumed that
q < 0​
so the forces
\vec F_{12}, \vec F_{13}​
are attractive! Of course
\vec F_{14}​
is repulsive!So if you are not familiar with vectors, we have to calculate the magnitude of
F_{12+13} = \sqrt{F_{12}^2 + F_{13}^2} = \sqrt{2} \cdot F_{12} ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ \rm{with} ~~~~~~ F_{12} = F_{13}​
Cause the forces F_{12+13} and F_{14} are antiparallel the requirement for your question is
F_{12+13} = F_{14}​
Because of the symmetrie of this problem, that's the only thing you have to show!
Hope i could help you!?
 
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thanks
 
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