Free electron gas band structure?

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The discussion revolves around identifying characteristics of a substance's band structure that indicate whether it can be modeled as a free electron gas (FEG). Participants explore the implications of band structure plots, the nature of dispersion relations, and the significance of the Fermi surface in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that a parabolic band structure is indicative of a free electron gas, but note that many materials exhibit parabolic bands without being FEGs.
  • One participant proposes examining the Fermi surface to determine its similarity to a free electron sphere as a potential indicator of FEG characteristics.
  • Another participant argues that while the dispersion relation for a free electron gas is perfectly parabolic, real materials often exhibit deviations due to interactions with the lattice, leading to band gaps.
  • There is a mention of the nearly free electron model, which accounts for weak interactions with the ionic lattice, resulting in a dispersion relation that is not perfectly parabolic.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of band gaps arising from the periodic potential of the lattice, which can affect the behavior of electrons and their classification as FEGs.
  • Another participant questions the reliability of using the Fermi surface as an indicator, citing examples like lithium where the Fermi surface appears nearly spherical but does not fully align with FEG characteristics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the indicators of a free electron gas in band structure plots, with no consensus reached on a definitive method for identification. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to characterize substances as FEGs.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the presence of band gaps and the nature of the Fermi surface can complicate the identification of free electron gas characteristics, suggesting that assumptions about ideal behavior may not hold in real materials.

Philip Land
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How can I see, by looking at a band structure if the substance in question can be viewed as a free electron gas (FEG) or not?

What characterizes a FEG in a bandstructure plot?

Thanks in advance!
 
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Philip Land said:
How can I see, by looking at a band structure if the substance in question can be viewed as a free electron gas (FEG) or not?

What characterizes a FEG in a bandstructure plot?

Thanks in advance!

I'm rather surprised that you asked this, considering what you wrote in this post:

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/band-structure-diagrams.966249/#post-6134363

If you have derived the dispersion relation for a free-electron gas, then what exactly is the issue here? Do you not know what
E(k) = \frac{\hbar^2k^2}{2m}
looks like graphically?

Zz.
 
ZapperZ said:
I'm rather surprised that you asked this, considering what you wrote in this post:

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/band-structure-diagrams.966249/#post-6134363

If you have derived the dispersion relation for a free-electron gas, then what exactly is the issue here? Do you not know what
E(k) = \frac{\hbar^2k^2}{2m}
looks like graphically?

Zz.
Well, the electrons will occupy parabolic bands, but that's true for many band structures, all through the are not free electron gases, so there must be something else than that simple argument allowing me to by looking at a plot see if its a free electron gas, such as no splitting between bands?
 
Philip Land said:
How can I see, by looking at a band structure if the substance in question can be viewed as a free electron gas (FEG) or not?

What characterizes a FEG in a bandstructure plot?

Thanks in advance!
I guess you are looking for the band structure of the nearly free electron in a crystal, right?
For that, you can transfer the free electron E-k relation to the first Brillouin zone.
 
Philip Land said:
Well, the electrons will occupy parabolic bands, but that's true for many band structures, all through the are not free electron gases, so there must be something else than that simple argument allowing me to by looking at a plot see if its a free electron gas, such as no splitting between bands?
Not really. The perfectly parabolic dispersion relation is a signature of a free electron model, at least as far as I understand. If the electrons interact weakly with the ions making the solid, a better description of the electrons can be obtained by using the nearly free electron model, that do take into account a potential of interaction between the electrons and the lattice. As a result, the dispersion relation is almost parabolic, but it has gaps, and it isn't quite parabolic due to a distorsion near the Brillouin zone (BZ). As you can imagine, if you complicate even more the description of the properties of the electrons, there is all the reasons in the world to guess that the dispersion relation will tend not to be a perfect parabola, which differs from the FEM.

@Lord Jestocost I would rather not look at the Fermi surface, because if we take a look at the one of lithium, it looks like a sphere that has no gap, i.e. it is entirely within the first BZ, even though it isn't exactly spherical. However the density of state near the Fermi energy differs somewhat compared to that of the FEM. So I wouldn't think that taking a look at the Fermi surface is a good indicator, but I may be wrong
 
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You are right! The answer to the OP’s question
Philip Land said:
How can I see, by looking at a band structure if the substance in question can be viewed as a free electron gas (FEG) or not?

should be: Physically, electrons in metals can in principle not be viewed as free electron gases, as the electrons always experience the crystal potential. Some metals have nearly spherical Fermi surfaces, i.e., the crystal potential does not “distort” too much the free electron gas Fermi surface.
 
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Lord Jestocost said:
One can look at the Fermi surface whether it is closely related to the free electron sphere or not.
10. Electron Dynamics and Fermi Surfaces
The FEG dispersion relation is spherically symmetric so it gives a spherical Fermi surface. Other dispersion relations that are spherically symmetric could do the same. For example, a Dirac point, which has linear dispersion, could possibly create a spherical Fermi surface.
 
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It seems to me more important here, for pedagogical reasons, to emphasize the band gaps which follow directly from the periodicity of the background potential of the ionic cores and the coherent backscatter near the Brillouin zone edge. This precludes eigenstates that produce net current.
So for short answer the the OP, it is the gaps...
 

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