Frequency of sound waves from vibrating wire

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a vibrating wire with a specified mass, length, and fundamental frequency, and it seeks to determine the frequency of sound waves produced at the fifth harmonic frequency. The context includes concepts of wave mechanics and sound propagation in air.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the fundamental frequency of the wire and the sound waves it produces. There are attempts to calculate wavelengths and frequencies, with some questioning the connection between the wire's vibrations and sound propagation in air.

Discussion Status

Some participants express confusion regarding the relationship between the frequency of the wire's vibrations and the sound waves. There are differing interpretations of harmonic frequencies, and while some guidance is offered, no consensus is reached on the calculations or concepts involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential misunderstandings about harmonic frequencies and the relationship between the wire's vibration and sound wave frequency. There is mention of a drawing that may clarify the wavelength concept, but it is not provided.

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Homework Statement


The wire has mass 250g and is tied down at both ends. It has a length of 12.50m and a fundamental frequency of 25.0 Hz. It has linear mass density.
Sound travels at 344m/s in air. Calculate the frequency of the sound waves produced when the wire vibrates at its fifth harmonic frequency.

Homework Equations


v=f lambda

The Attempt at a Solution


Just from drawing the wave, I think the wavelength of the vibration on the wire is 12.5/3.
From v=f lamda, since we know the fundamental frequency and its wavelength at this point (25m), the wire is moving at 625m/s. Which seems very fast.
My problem is, I have no idea how these relate to the longitudinal wave produced in air! Velocities aren't the same. Wavelengths are, I think...
 
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If the fundamental frequency is a given ...
 
BvU said:
If the fundamental frequency is a given ...
Well, I don't know what to do with the fundamental frequency? Am I missing something really obvious?
Is the frequency of the sound wave the same as the frequency of vibration of the wire?
 
Definitely. Yes.
 
BvU said:
Definitely. Yes.
Oh. So then

625 = f* 12.5/3? And that frequency is the frequency of the sound wave. Well... that was quite silly. Thanks anyway :)
 
Now I'm the one who is lost. If the fundamental frequency of a wire is 25 Hz, isn't the second harmonic at 50 Hz, the third at 75, etc ? Like these guys try to tell us (for a guitar string) ?

Oh, and in your original post, you mention a drawing that causes you to think the wavelength for the fundamental frequency is 12/3. Could you explain ? Post the drawing ?
 
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I meant the wavelength of the fifth harmonic is 12.5/3, because at the fifth harmonic there are 3 complete oscillations in the tube. But that was wrong because I thought it went fundamental frequency, first harmonic, second harmonic etc. So it should have been the wavelength is 12.5/2.5. And the frequency thing fits with the answer I got. I ended up with the frequency as 125Hz. So just multiplying the fundamental frequency by 5 would have been a lot quicker :)
 

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