Frequency of Wave on a Guitar String HW

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The discussion revolves around calculating the new frequency of a guitar string after a small change in tension. The formula provided is fnew = f (1 + (∆T)/2T), where tension T affects frequency f. Participants are attempting to derive this equation using calculus, specifically through differentiation and Taylor's expansion. There is confusion regarding the application of derivatives and how to incorporate the change in tension (∆T) into the frequency equation. The conversation emphasizes the need for clarity in using calculus concepts to solve the problem effectively.
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Homework Statement


When a guitar string is stretched to have a tension T, it produces a frequency f. You change the tension by a very small amount ∆T . Show that the new frequency of the guitar string is

fnew = f ( 1 + (delta T)/2T)

For example, a guitar string has tension T = 10N and produces f = 1000Hz. If you changed the tension by ∆T = 0.01N, what would the new frequency be? Hint: You need calculus for this. Find an expression for f in terms of T. Then take the derivative of f with respect to T.

Homework Equations


fnew = f ( 1 + (delta T)/2T)

(wavelength)(frequency) = √T/μ

The Attempt at a Solution


I have tried taking the derivative of f =(1/wavelength)(√T/μ), but I can't seem to get back to the equation the question acts me to get back to. What am I doing wrong? [/B]
 
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Hi slw12,

Welcome to Physics Forums.

Can you show us the details of what you've tried? (PF rules). Hint: you may want to use an expression for T in terms of the original frequency f as a substitution along the way.
 
slw12 said:
I have tried taking the derivative
So what did you get?

The other equation you need is the standard one relating a derivative to the consequences of small changes in the independent variable (Δf, f, Δx, f'.)
 
I have taken the derivative of the 2nd equation above and I got df/dt = (1/(λ*√μ)(1/√T). But I don't know how to get ΔT into the equation
 
slw12 said:
df/dt = (1/(λ*√μ)(1/√T).
Not quite right. What is the derivative of xn wrt x?
slw12 said:
how to get ΔT into the equation
Did my hint not help? f(x+Δx)≈ f(x)+ ...?
 
haruspex said:
Not quite right. What is the derivative of xn wrt x?

Did my hint not help? f(x+Δx)≈ f(x)+ ...?

Would it be f(x +Δx) = f(x) + Δy?
If that's right, how would I get ΔT/2T as Δy?
 
slw12 said:
Would it be f(x +Δx) = f(x) + Δy?
You are not familiar with Taylor's expansion?
f(x +Δx) = f(x) + Δxf'(x)+ ...
Look it up.
 
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