Friction and Kinematics: Solving for Minimum Time on a Bridge

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The discussion revolves around a kinematics problem involving a car accelerating on a bridge with a specified coefficient of friction. The original poster attempts to demonstrate that the car cannot cross the bridge in less than 10 seconds, given the parameters of the problem.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the forces acting on the car, including friction, gravity, and normal force. There is confusion regarding the role of friction and how it relates to the car's acceleration. Questions arise about the implications of setting the net force equal to the frictional force and the interpretation of Newton's second law.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning assumptions about the forces involved and clarifying the relationships between them. Some guidance has been offered regarding the identification of forces and the application of Newton's laws, but no consensus has been reached on the interpretation of the forces at play.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes a focus on drawing free body diagrams and understanding the dynamics of the car's motion under the influence of friction and gravity. There is an acknowledgment of the original poster's struggle with the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


A car starts from rest on half a kilometer long bridge. The coefficient of friction between the tyre and the road is 1.0. Show that one cannot drive through the bridge in less than 10 seconds. (Take g = 10 m/s2)


Homework Equations


Frictional force = μN
Kinematic equations

The Attempt at a Solution


I just cannot draw the free body diagram. I took the acceleration to be (a - (mu)g) and it got me nowhere. I get the right answer if I consider ma = μN (I get a = 10m/s2 and t = 10s, substituting it in the kinematic equations). But taking ma = μN is like saying the force with which the car is trying to move forward is equal to the force which is pulling it back. But if that is so, how will the car move forward?
 
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RandomGuy1 said:
But taking ma = μN is like saying the force with which the car is trying to move forward is equal to the force which is pulling it back. But if that is so, how will the car move forward?
What do you mean by "the force which is pulling it back"? What force is that? Horizontally, there is only a force pushing it forward.

I just cannot draw the free body diagram.
List the forces acting on the car. I see three.
 
Frictional force is pulling it back. Gravity, Normal Force, Frictional Force are the three forces, right?
If ma is the force with which it is trying to move forward, wouldn't ma being equal to μN mean the car wouldn't move?
 
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RandomGuy1 said:
Frictional force is pulling it back.
No, friction is driving it forward!

Gravity, Normal Force, Frictional Force are the three forces, right?
Right.

If ma is the force with which it is trying to move forward, wouldn't ma being equal to μN mean the car wouldn't move?
"ma" is not a force. It's what the net force equals, per Newton's 2nd law: ƩF = ma.
 
Oh, that makes more sense :redface:. Thank you, Doc!
 

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