Friction and Rotation: Understanding the Ratio of Forces on a Rotating Disk

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The discussion centers on calculating the ratio of friction forces acting on two balls resting on a rotating phonograph record. The first ball is located at a radius of 5 units from the center, while the second is at 10 units. The participants conclude that since the friction force must counteract the centripetal acceleration, the friction force on the first ball is twice that of the second due to the radius difference. The correct answer to the ratio of friction forces is determined to be 2. There is some confusion about the conditions under which the balls remain stationary relative to the disk, but the conclusion about the friction ratio remains consistent.
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Homework Statement


A phonograph record is whiring around at 103 rpm. Two balls of mass 1 kg are sitting on the disk and are at rest with respect to disk. The first ball (1) sits at a radius 5 away from center. The second ball (2) sits at a radius of 10 away from center. What is the ratio of friction forces acting on them? Ratio = (Friction of 1/Friction of 2)

A)0.5
B) 1
C) 2
D) .25
E) not enough info

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The Attempt at a Solution


Okay, first,

I know that the disk is rotating at a constant velocity. This means that angular acceleration is 0, thus, the Torque is 0. If the torque is 0 for this disk that is rotating constantly, then that means that net torque is 0 because friction is acting on the balls. Therefore, some force is oppose this friction for net torque to be 0.

However, this doesn't really help me because Torque is just 0? I'm thinking the answer is either E) or could be B) or C) if I am thinking wrong
 
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The balls are stuck on the disk as it rotates, so the friction forces on each are enough to keep them from sliding. What is the equation for the centripetal acceleration on an object as a function of the radius?
 
berkeman said:
The balls are stuck on the disk as it rotates, so the friction forces on each are enough to keep them from sliding. What is the equation for the centripetal acceleration on an object as a function of the radius?

well,

Ac = v^2/r --> w^2*r

Is Ac the torque?

If it is, then the friction force is twice the ball 2 for ball one because of Radius doubled for ball 1
 
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lc99 said:
well,

Ac = v^2/r --> w^2*r
Yep. So what's the correct answer to the question then... :smile:
 
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berkeman said:
Yep. So what's the correct answer to the question then... :smile:
C) 2! Thanks :D

Unfortunately, i guessed ratio of 1 on my exam out of confusion and panic :(. Atleast I get it now!
 
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berkeman said:
The balls are stuck on the disk as it rotates
That's unclear. If glued to the disk, why make them balls, and where does friction come into it?
A feasible interpretation is that the balls are only instantaneously at rest relative to the disc. But if so, we should have been told that there is sufficient friction that the balls do not, at first at least, slide.
Pretty sure the answer would still be 2, though.
 
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