From mathematical physics to experimental physics

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The discussion centers on the feasibility of transitioning between mathematical physics and experimental physics after obtaining a PhD in one of these fields. It explores the challenges and pathways associated with such a transition, including practical skills, job opportunities, and the nature of work in both areas.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that transitioning from experimental physics to mathematical physics is easier than the reverse, due to the different practical skills required.
  • One participant argues that it is nearly impossible to work with modern experiments without an experimental PhD, while theorists can engage with equations more freely.
  • Concerns are raised about the financial implications of transitioning fields, particularly regarding securing grant funding and maintaining a tenure track position.
  • A proposed strategy for theorists wanting to move into experimental work includes obtaining a teaching position and volunteering with an experimental group to gain experience.
  • Another participant mentions that some theorists have become involved in experimental work through exposure, although this is contingent on being in the right group.
  • There is a suggestion that while there are more options for experimentalists to transition into theory, the pathways for theorists to become experimentalists are limited and often require a passion for the work rather than financial incentives.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the ease of transitioning between the two fields, with no consensus on the best approach or the feasibility of such transitions.

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The discussion highlights the dependence on specific skills and the variability of opportunities based on individual circumstances and institutional environments.

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Hi, I like mathematical physics and experimental physics, is it possible to change from one to another of these fields after earning PhD from one of them?
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The set of practical stills is quite different. I would say that it is basically impossible to work with modern experiments if you haven't done an experimental Ph.D. The converse is a bit easier, as anyone with a Ph.D. in physics can play around with equations.

At what level are you currently studying? From your post history, I get the feeling that it is a bit early for you to ask yourself such a question.
 
The transition from experiment to theory is easier than from theory to experiment. The thing to worry about is how you are going to earn a living during the transition. Transitioning to the point where you can have reliable grant funding and stay on tenure track at an R1 school is a bigger challenge than just doing productive work in the field and publishing papers.

If I had a PhD in theory and wanted to work in experiment, I would get a teaching job at a teaching focused school and offer my services for free to an experimental group at a nearby R1 university. Odds are you can find one that will have you, and if you show up regularly and are hard working and careful, the grad students will begin showing you the ropes in their experimental operations. If you are making real contributions, you will eventually be offered co-authorship on some of their papers. This is probably the most dependable path to productive experimental work.

There are more options for someone with a PhD in experiment who wants to work in theory. Since theory is much less expensive to pursue, you can just start working on it with whatever skills you have if you find a problem that matches those skills. You can try and attach yourself to a local theory group at a nearby university, but you need to consider what skills you might have that will interest them. Good programming skills are likely a ticket if you are willing to work for free.

But there are not many paths for a theorist to get paid to become an experimentalist and vice versa. You got to do it for love rather than for money.
 
I've known theorists who have joined experimentalist groups (to work as theorists) who have gotten increasingly involved in experiments, almost by exposure. They're still predominantly theorists, but do contribute to experimental work. But that sort of thing relies on being in the right sort of group, which is not necessarily something to rely on. But is it possible? Yes.
 
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