What Angle Does the String Make with the Vertical While Accelerating?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a pair of fuzzy dice hanging from a string while a vehicle accelerates. The objective is to determine the angle the string makes with the vertical during this acceleration, which involves concepts of forces and motion.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between mass, force, and acceleration, with some questioning the necessity of finding the mass to determine the angle. Others suggest considering both horizontal and vertical accelerations and their vector addition to find the angle.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the vector nature of the forces involved, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach to take.

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There is confusion regarding the role of mass in the calculations, as well as the presence of horizontal acceleration affecting the hanging dice. Participants are grappling with the implications of these factors on the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


A pair of fuzzy dice is hanging by a string from your rearview mirror. while you are accelerating from a stoplight to 28 m/s in 6.0 s, what angle does the string make with the vertical?

Homework Equations


im having trouble finding the mass and the force on the dice i know you are suppose to use F=Mg but like i said i have to find the force of the die and to do that i have to find the mass

The Attempt at a Solution



knowns unknown i used this equation to get the mass but I am unsure about it
V= 28 m/s angle y=yo+Vyot-1/2gt^2
T=6.0 mass
g=9.8m/s force
 
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ldbaseball16 said:

Homework Statement


A pair of fuzzy dice is hanging by a string from your rearview mirror. while you are accelerating from a stoplight to 28 m/s in 6.0 s, what angle does the string make with the vertical?

Homework Equations


im having trouble finding the mass and the force on the dice i know you are suppose to use F=Mg but like i said i have to find the force of the die and to do that i have to find the mass

The Attempt at a Solution



knowns unknown i used this equation to get the mass but I am unsure about it
V= 28 m/s angle y=yo+Vyot-1/2gt^2
T=6.0 mass
g=9.8m/s force

Don't you also know that V = a*T ?

And if you know the horizontal acceleration won't that affect the hanging dice according to vector addition with gravitational acceleration? Hence won't you be able to calculate the angle? All without any consideration of what the mass may be.
 
i don't understand how there is a horizontal acceleration because its hanging so i thought it was a vertical and since its vertical i thought the acceleration would be 9.8 m/s I am just really unsure I am confused now
 
ldbaseball16 said:
i don't understand how there is a horizontal acceleration because its hanging so i thought it was a vertical and since its vertical i thought the acceleration would be 9.8 m/s I am just really unsure I am confused now

Both accelerations are affecting the dice.

One horizontal. One vertical. Added together they yield a resultant force.

But since they are acting from different directions they must be added as you would add two vectors. One is 9.8 and the other what you calculate for the car's acceleration.

When you add them in this manner you get an angle as well as a magnitude. The question is only asking you for the angle.
 
but don't you have to find the mass of the die so you can calcutlate the force exerted on the die?
 
ldbaseball16 said:
but don't you have to find the mass of the die so you can calcutlate the force exerted on the die?

If you want to deal with it as Forces, then that's fine too. But F = ma and whether you figure the force vectors or the acceleration vectors the mass is a constant that merely relates the acceleration to force as a scalar. But it's the relationship between the two vectors that determines the angle.

If you prefer then do the equations and carry the mass as unknown. When you calculate your angle see if you need to know the mass.
 

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