Gas Giants & Stars: Do They Have a Solid Part?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the composition of gas giants and stars, specifically questioning whether they possess solid parts or cores. Participants explore the nature of these celestial bodies, focusing on their physical states and the implications for their structure and existence.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that gas giants may have liquid or potentially solid cores, but they are primarily composed of gas.
  • Others argue that if one were to fall into a gas giant, the atmospheric pressure would likely crush them before reaching any solid or liquid surface.
  • It is noted that stars are composed of plasma, where electrons are not bound to atoms, and they may have varying compositions with heavier elements tending to fall towards their cores.
  • Questions are raised about how gas giants and stars maintain their compactness without solid cores, leading to discussions about the role of gravity.
  • One participant states that mass exists in various states and that gravity is not exclusive to solids, suggesting that mass in any state contributes to gravitational attraction.
  • Another participant mentions that the sun's core, while composed of hydrogen in a plasma state, is significantly dense, indicating that density plays a role in the structure of stars.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence of solid cores in gas giants and stars, with some asserting that they are primarily gaseous while others suggest the possibility of liquid or solid cores. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of their structural integrity without solid components.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the states of matter and the definitions of solid, liquid, and plasma. The implications of density and gravitational effects are also not fully explored.

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Are the gas giants and stars only composed of gas particles? Don't they have a solid crust or something? If they don't have a solid part then how can they exist alone?
 
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Allen_Wolf said:
Are the gas giants and stars only composed of gas particles? Don't they have a solid crust or something? If they don't have a solid part then how can they exist alone?
Some gas giants have liquid cores. Some may potentially have solid cores. But for the most part, they're primarily made out of gas. If you ever fell into a gas giant, you'd likely be crushed by the pressure of the atmosphere long before you struck anything solid (or liquid).

Stars are too hot for anything like this. They're composed of plasma, which is a form of matter where electrons aren't bound to atoms. Stars may have differing compositions (heavier elements tend to fall towards the cores of stars), but they're composed of plasma through-and-through.
 
Chalnoth said:
Some gas giants have liquid cores. Some may potentially have solid cores. But for the most part, they're primarily made out of gas. If you ever fell into a gas giant, you'd likely be crushed by the pressure of the atmosphere long before you struck anything solid (or liquid).

Stars are too hot for anything like this. They're composed of plasma, which is a form of matter where electrons aren't bound to atoms. Stars may have differing compositions (heavier elements tend to fall towards the cores of stars), but they're composed of plasma through-and-through.
But how can they stay compact even without a solid core?
 
Allen_Wolf said:
But how can they stay compact even without a solid core?
How do you think stars are held together? Why do you think Earth has an atmosphere?
 
Allen_Wolf said:
But how can they stay compact even without a solid core?
A mass is a mass whatever state it is in, and where there is mass there is gravity.
Gravity is not a property only of solids.
 
Solid is just the state where atoms have so little energy that they stick together and stay. The sun's core may be composed to Hydrogen in a plasma state, but it's 150 times as dense as water.
 

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