Gaussian cylinder in the finite case

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The discussion centers on calculating the electric field between two long coaxial cylindrical tubes using Gauss' Law. The enclosed charge is determined to be Q_enc = Qλ/L, leading to the electric field expression E = Q/(2πLε₀r) in cylindrical coordinates for the region between the cylinders. Participants address the assumption of ignoring the ends of the cylinders, noting that in the context of long cylinders, the ends can be neglected due to the assumption of infinite length. Concerns are raised about the implications of placing the Gaussian surface away from the center and the potential loss of symmetry, but it is clarified that such details are typically not the focus in exam questions. Overall, the conversation emphasizes understanding the application of Gauss' Law in this specific geometry.
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Homework Statement



Consider two long coaxial metal cylindrical tubes, with radii a and b and length L. (You may assume a,b<<L. Also a<b.) Suppose the inner cylinder is given a charge +Q and the outer cylinder a charge -Q.

Using Gauss' Law, compute the electric field for all r between a and b.

Homework Equations



Gauss' Law, the usual Gaussian surface stuff.

The Attempt at a Solution



As the textbook recommends, I put my Gaussian cylinder far from the ends of the tube. So for a<r<b the enclosed charge is

Q_{\text{enc}}=\frac{Q\lambda}{L},

where lambda << L is the length of the Gaussian cylinder. So by Gauss' law,

2\pi r\lambda|\textbf{E}|\approx\oint_{\text{surface}} \textbf{E}\cdot d\textbf{a}=\frac{1}{\epsilon_0}Q_{\text{enc}}= \frac{Q\lambda}{L\epsilon_0},

(What about the ends?) Therefore in cylindrical coordinates

\textbf{E}=\frac{Q}{2\pi L\epsilon_0 r}\boldsymbol{\hat r}

My questions:

(1) Why do we get to ignore the ends? Or do we get to ignore the ends?

(2) I'm not really sure what the restrictions are for the Gaussian cylinder when the case is finite as opposed to infinite. If we don't put it at the very center of the wire(s)/tube(s)/whatever, then doesn't that ruin symmetry? And even if we just put it far from the edges, then it seems like we can't say anything about those edges, i.e. we can only calculate the electric field at points far from the edges of the wire(s)/tube(s).

I guess I just don't understand the physical interpretation behind the math, and it's giving me trouble. Any help would be much appreciated!
 
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hi hatsoff! :smile:
hatsoff said:
Consider two long …

(1) Why do we get to ignore the ends? Or do we get to ignore the ends?

in an exam question, "long" always means that you can treat it as infinite :wink:
(2) I'm not really sure what the restrictions are for the Gaussian cylinder when the case is finite as opposed to infinite. If we don't put it at the very center of the wire(s)/tube(s)/whatever, then doesn't that ruin symmetry?

you won't be asked about that

but yes, you're right … the field lines will be bent slightly out of shape, and difficult to calculate :smile:
 
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