Gaussian Elimination: Solving Homework Problem

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The discussion revolves around a system of equations involving four variables (w, x, y, z) and the application of Gaussian elimination to solve them. The original poster presents their attempts at solving the equations and expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their results, particularly regarding the value of z.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the original poster's application of Gaussian elimination and question the validity of their results. There are suggestions to check the derived values against the original equations to verify correctness. Some participants express confusion over the use of parameters in the solutions and the implications of having multiple variables.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on verifying solutions and exploring different ways to express the variables. There is recognition of the complexity due to having more variables than equations, leading to various interpretations of the solutions.

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Participants note the challenge of solving a system with three equations and four unknowns, which allows for multiple valid expressions of the variables. There is also mention of discrepancies between the original poster's results and those obtained from external tools like Wolfram Alpha.

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Homework Statement


I started with the following equations :

3w+2x+3y+z=76
w+2x+2y+z=59
w/2+x+y+z/4=21

Homework Equations



Gaussian elimination

The Attempt at a Solution


So I got the following after applying Gauss' method :

3w+2x+3y+z=76

-4x-3y-2z=-101

3/2z=51
which gives z=34

Then I get y=11-(4/3)x

w=3+2/3x

Does it make any sense ? I compared it with wolfram and it seems like the only good thing that I got was the z=34...
 
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You need to show your work. If all you do is post the wrong answer you got at the end, the best we can say is that you messed up somewhere.
 
Physicaa said:

Homework Statement


I started with the following equations :

3w+2x+3y+z=76
w+2x+2y+z=59
w/2+x+y+z/4=21

Homework Equations



Gaussian elimination

The Attempt at a Solution


So I got the following after applying Gauss' method :

3w+2x+3y+z=76

-4x-3y-2z=-101

3/2z=51
which gives z=34

Then I get y=11-(4/3)x

w=3+2/3x

Does it make any sense ? I compared it with wolfram and it seems like the only good thing that I got was the z=34...
Why do you think your solution is wrong?
Dit you try to substitute what you found for w,y,z in the three equations to check if they add up?
 
Physicaa said:
I think it's wrong because wolfram gives me something different.

Here : http://www.wolframalpha.com/widgets/view.jsp?id=ae438682ce61743f90d4693c497621b7

Try this and see. The only good thing that I get is 34.
That link doesn't show any equation or solution.
Forget Wolfram for a moment, just try your solution: check if it fits the three equations.

EDIT: I copy pasted the equations in the link you gave and got this result:
wolframgauss.jpg


Is this wat Wolfram told you? If so, how does this compare to your solution?
 
Samy_A said:
That link doesn't show any equation or solution.
Forget Wolfram for a moment, just try your solution: check if it fits the three equations.

EDIT: I copy pasted the equations in the link you gave and got this result:
View attachment 95963

Is this wat Wolfram told you? If so, how does this compare to your solution?
Ok so I am going to compute the following equations z=34, y=11-4/3x w=3+2/3x, x=33/4-3/4y
 
Physicaa said:
Ok so I am going to compute the following equations z=34, y=11-4/3x w=3+2/3x, x=33/4-3/4y
Now you are turning in circles: y in terms of x, x in terms of y: that doesn't make much sense.

Your solution was:
##w=3+\frac{2}{3}x##
##y=11-\frac{4}{3}x##
##z=34##
Plug these values in the equations and see if it all adds up or not.
 
Samy_A said:
Now you are turning in circles: y in terms of x, x in terms of y: that doesn't make much sense.

Your solution was:
##w=3+\frac{2}{3}x##
##y=11-\frac{4}{3}x##
##z=34##
Plug these values in the equations and see if it all adds up or not.
I was finally able to make the equations be true by pluggin these equations :

z=34, y=t, x=(33-3t)/4 , w=(17-t)/2

It seems to work with these.
 
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Physicaa said:
I was finally able to make the equations be true by pluggin these equations :

z=34, y=t, x=(33-3t)/4 , w=(17-t)/2

It seems to work with these.
Your first solution was correct (you should have checked). This one is correct (although I don't see why you need t and don't just use y). The one from Wolfram is also correct.
You can express w and y in terms of x, as you did in the first post. Or x and w in terms of y, as you do here. Wolfram gave x and y in terms of w.
 
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Physicaa said:

Homework Statement


I started with the following equations :

3w+2x+3y+z=76
w+2x+2y+z=59
w/2+x+y+z/4=21

Homework Equations



Gaussian elimination

The Attempt at a Solution


So I got the following after applying Gauss' method :i

3w+2x+3y+z=76

-4x-3y-2z=-101

3/2z=51
which gives z=34

Then I get y=11-(4/3)x

w=3+2/3x

Does it make any sense ? I compared it with wolfram and it seems like the only good thing that I got was the z=34...

Since you have 3 equations in 4 unknowns, you can express solutions in many ways. You can solve for (x,y,z) in terms of w (to get x = -9/2+3/2*w, y = 17-2*w, z = 34), or you can solve for (x,z,w) in terms of y or for (y,z,w) in terms of x. (However, if you try to solve for (x,y,w) in terms of z you will find that something goes wrong, so you cannot do it!)
 

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