Gaussian Elimination: Solving Homework Problem

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Homework Statement


I started with the following equations :

3w+2x+3y+z=76
w+2x+2y+z=59
w/2+x+y+z/4=21

Homework Equations



Gaussian elimination

The Attempt at a Solution


So I got the following after applying Gauss' method :

3w+2x+3y+z=76

-4x-3y-2z=-101

3/2z=51
which gives z=34

Then I get y=11-(4/3)x

w=3+2/3x

Does it make any sense ? I compared it with wolfram and it seems like the only good thing that I got was the z=34...
 
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Physicaa said:

Homework Statement


I started with the following equations :

3w+2x+3y+z=76
w+2x+2y+z=59
w/2+x+y+z/4=21

Homework Equations



Gaussian elimination

The Attempt at a Solution


So I got the following after applying Gauss' method :

3w+2x+3y+z=76

-4x-3y-2z=-101

3/2z=51
which gives z=34

Then I get y=11-(4/3)x

w=3+2/3x

Does it make any sense ? I compared it with wolfram and it seems like the only good thing that I got was the z=34...
Why do you think your solution is wrong?
Dit you try to substitute what you found for w,y,z in the three equations to check if they add up?
 
Physicaa said:
I think it's wrong because wolfram gives me something different.

Here : http://www.wolframalpha.com/widgets/view.jsp?id=ae438682ce61743f90d4693c497621b7

Try this and see. The only good thing that I get is 34.
That link doesn't show any equation or solution.
Forget Wolfram for a moment, just try your solution: check if it fits the three equations.

EDIT: I copy pasted the equations in the link you gave and got this result:
wolframgauss.jpg


Is this wat Wolfram told you? If so, how does this compare to your solution?
 
Samy_A said:
That link doesn't show any equation or solution.
Forget Wolfram for a moment, just try your solution: check if it fits the three equations.

EDIT: I copy pasted the equations in the link you gave and got this result:
View attachment 95963

Is this wat Wolfram told you? If so, how does this compare to your solution?
Ok so I am going to compute the following equations z=34, y=11-4/3x w=3+2/3x, x=33/4-3/4y
 
Physicaa said:
Ok so I am going to compute the following equations z=34, y=11-4/3x w=3+2/3x, x=33/4-3/4y
Now you are turning in circles: y in terms of x, x in terms of y: that doesn't make much sense.

Your solution was:
##w=3+\frac{2}{3}x##
##y=11-\frac{4}{3}x##
##z=34##
Plug these values in the equations and see if it all adds up or not.
 
Samy_A said:
Now you are turning in circles: y in terms of x, x in terms of y: that doesn't make much sense.

Your solution was:
##w=3+\frac{2}{3}x##
##y=11-\frac{4}{3}x##
##z=34##
Plug these values in the equations and see if it all adds up or not.
I was finally able to make the equations be true by pluggin these equations :

z=34, y=t, x=(33-3t)/4 , w=(17-t)/2

It seems to work with these.
 
Physicaa said:
I was finally able to make the equations be true by pluggin these equations :

z=34, y=t, x=(33-3t)/4 , w=(17-t)/2

It seems to work with these.
Your first solution was correct (you should have checked). This one is correct (although I don't see why you need t and don't just use y). The one from Wolfram is also correct.
You can express w and y in terms of x, as you did in the first post. Or x and w in terms of y, as you do here. Wolfram gave x and y in terms of w.
 
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Physicaa said:

Homework Statement


I started with the following equations :

3w+2x+3y+z=76
w+2x+2y+z=59
w/2+x+y+z/4=21

Homework Equations



Gaussian elimination

The Attempt at a Solution


So I got the following after applying Gauss' method :i

3w+2x+3y+z=76

-4x-3y-2z=-101

3/2z=51
which gives z=34

Then I get y=11-(4/3)x

w=3+2/3x

Does it make any sense ? I compared it with wolfram and it seems like the only good thing that I got was the z=34...

Since you have 3 equations in 4 unknowns, you can express solutions in many ways. You can solve for (x,y,z) in terms of w (to get x = -9/2+3/2*w, y = 17-2*w, z = 34), or you can solve for (x,z,w) in terms of y or for (y,z,w) in terms of x. (However, if you try to solve for (x,y,w) in terms of z you will find that something goes wrong, so you cannot do it!)