Gearing Backlash Arcsine to Arc minutes

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The discussion revolves around calculating the amount of backlash in arc minutes for a gearbox, particularly focusing on the methodology and considerations involved in the calculation. Participants explore the implications of different gear types on backlash and the mathematical approach to derive arc minutes from gear tolerances.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines a method for calculating backlash by considering end play in the input and output shafts, suggesting that the arcsine function can be used to convert the result into arc minutes.
  • Another participant notes that end play affects radial backlash differently depending on the type of gearing, indicating that it does not affect straight cut gears but does for helical, herringbone, or worm gears.
  • This participant also emphasizes that for multi-stage gear trains, the backlash from each stage must be considered and multiplied by the gear ratios of subsequent stages.
  • A further contribution discusses the design of herringbone gears, stating that they are typically designed to float in self-alignment, which can influence backlash characteristics.
  • It is mentioned that a herringbone gear pair with one fixed and the other spring-loaded will not exhibit backlash until a certain torque is reached.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effects of end play on various gear types, indicating that there is no consensus on the implications of the proposed calculation method across all gear types.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the implications of different gear types on backlash calculations, and there are assumptions about the conditions under which the proposed formulas apply.

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Working on a project at work for backlash in a gearbox. I need to know the amount of backlash in arc minutes that this particular ratio has. Wondering if my approach is on the right path.
So can calculate the loose tolerance by the amount of end play in the input shaft and output shaft, add the input tolerance and output shaft tolerance together, divide by the gear pitch diameter, then divide by 2 for the radius. That should give me the sine of the degree, if I take the arc sine (sin^-1) of that value it will give me the degrees that I can multiply by 60 to get arc minutes. Does my approach sound correct?

Thanks for the help.
 
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The end play will affect the radial backlash with helical, herring bone, or worm gearing. With straight cut gears it has no effect. Even then endplay contribution could be in addition to the backlash from the tooth clearences. Also, realize that for a multi-stage gear train, the backlash from each stage will be multiplied by the gear ratios of each succeding stage.

Your formula using arcsin is valid for straight cut gears as far as it goes. If not straight cut, account for the end play at each stage because it will contribute to the effective tooth clearence.

Cheers,
Tom
 
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Herringbone gears are usually designed to float in self-alignment since they cancel axial thrust, giving them the maximum backlash.

A herringbone gear pair, one fixed, the other with a “spring loaded” axial thrust will not have backlash. The two halves will be operating on the opposite faces of the teeth. That remains the case until sufficient torque is available to overcome the axial spring pre-loading.
 
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Thank you Tom G and Baluncore.
 

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