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The discussion revolves around the operator that transforms a wave function \(\psi(x)\) into \(\psi(x + \frac{vt}{2})\), with a focus on the implications of time in this transformation. Participants explore the concept of boosts in quantum mechanics, the role of generators in translations, and the subtleties involved in the transformation properties of wave functions under boosts.

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  • One participant seeks to identify the operator that translates \(\psi(x)\) by a time-dependent term, questioning the factor of \(\frac{1}{2}\) in the expression.
  • Another participant asserts that the position operator \(x\) is the generator of boosts, providing an example of how momentum shifts under such transformations.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of terminology, clarifying that the generator is the operator in the exponential form, not the exponential itself.
  • One participant introduces the concept of the Galileo boost, presenting the operator \(\hat{\vec{K}}=m \hat{\vec{x}}-t \hat{\vec{p}}\) and noting its time dependence, which leads to non-commutation with the Hamiltonian.
  • Another participant discusses the transformation properties of wave functions under boosts, including a phase factor that complicates the naive transformation rule.
  • There is a mention of a detailed treatment of Galilei transformations in quantum mechanics, referencing a specific text for further exploration.
  • One participant questions whether their understanding of the transformation rule is correct, seeking clarification on additional assumptions needed for the wave function.
  • Another participant confirms the correctness of the transformation rule and suggests that the phase factor is necessary for fulfilling the Schrödinger equation.
  • A reference to a paper by Inönü and Wigner is provided, discussing the implications of unitary representations of the Galilei group on physical dynamics.

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Participants express differing views on the role of the factor of \(\frac{1}{2}\) in the transformation, and there is no consensus on the implications of time dependence in the operator. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nuances of the transformation properties and the necessary conditions for the wave function.

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Participants note the complexity of the transformation rules and the potential need for additional assumptions regarding the wave function, indicating that the discussion involves unresolved mathematical steps and dependencies on definitions.

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I'm in one spatial dimension. I want to know what the operator is that will turn \psi(x) into \psi(x + \frac{vt}{2}), where t is, yes, time. I know that, usually, we say that (assuming \hbar = 1) e^{ipa} is the generator of translations by a, but I was wondering if things were different once we put in a t.
 
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This transformation is called a boost (though I don't know why you have a factor of 1/2 in from of the v). The position operator ##x## is the generator of boosts. For example, a particle with some definite momentum ##p_0## has wave function ##\psi(x) = e^{i p_0 x}##. If we act on this wave function with the operator ##e^{i \Delta p x}##, where ##\Delta p## is some number, then we get the wave function ##e^{i (p_0 + \Delta p) x}##. The particle's momentum has been shifted by ##\Delta p##: it has been boosted.

To nitpick the terminology, the "generator" is the operator that appears in the exponential, not the exponential itself. So we say that the generator of spatial translations is the momentum operator ##p## because we can translate a wave function by a displacement ##a## by acting on it with the operator ##e^{i p a}##.
 
The_Duck said:
This transformation is called a boost (though I don't know why you have a factor of 1/2 in from of the v). The position operator ##x## is the generator of boosts. For example, a particle with some definite momentum ##p_0## has wave function ##\psi(x) = e^{i p_0 x}##. If we act on this wave function with the operator ##e^{i \Delta p x}##, where ##\Delta p## is some number, then we get the wave function ##e^{i (p_0 + \Delta p) x}##. The particle's momentum has been shifted by ##\Delta p##: it has been boosted.

To nitpick the terminology, the "generator" is the operator that appears in the exponential, not the exponential itself. So we say that the generator of spatial translations is the momentum operator ##p## because we can translate a wave function by a displacement ##a## by acting on it with the operator ##e^{i p a}##.

Is boost time-dependent?

I would try myself to use a Taylor expansion, and see what's going on... Prolly would find a problem with
\frac{dψ}{dx} which I would have to write as \frac{∂ψ}{∂x}+ \frac{∂t}{∂x}\frac{∂ψ}{∂t}= \frac{∂ψ}{∂x}+ \frac{2}{u} \frac{∂ψ}{∂t} (since you gave the velocity as u/2
 
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The_Duck said:
To nitpick the terminology, the "generator" is the operator that appears in the exponential, not the exponential itself. So we say that the generator of spatial translations is the momentum operator ##p## because we can translate a wave function by a displacement ##a## by acting on it with the operator ##e^{i p a}##.

You're right, and I'm usually aware of that. I just misspoke. Thanks!
 
This is a bit more subtle. In fact the generator of the Galileo boosts is
\hat{\vec{K}}=m \hat{\vec{x}}-t \hat{\vec{p}}.
Since this operator is explicitly (!) time dependent, it does not commute with the Hamiltonian. Of course, it's conserved, i.e., the operator representing its time derivative,
\frac{1}{\mathrm{i}\hbar} [\hat{\vec{K}},\hat{H}]+\partial_t \vec{K} = \frac{1}{\mathrm{i}\hbar} [\hat{\vec{K}},\hat{H}] + \hat{\vec{p}}.
A careful analysis of the transformation properties of the wave function in the position representations yields its behavior under boosts,
\Psi_{\sigma}(t,\vec{x}) \rightarrow \Psi_{\sigma}'(t,\vec{x})=\exp \left (-\frac{\mathrm{i}}{\hbar} m \vec{v} \cdot \vec{x} - \frac{\mathrm{i} m}{2\hbar} \vec{v}^2 t \right ) \Psi_{\sigma}(t,\vec{x}+\vec{v} t).
Here, I've also included the possibility that the particle has non-zero spin s. Thus the wave function is spinor valued with the spinor index taking the values \sigma \in \{-s,-s+1,\ldots,s-1,s \}.

Note that the Galilei boost involves a phase factor in addition to the naive transformation rule for the wave function you have assumed in the beginning (despite this strange factor of 1/2, which I don't understand at all).

A very detailed treatment of Galilei transformations in quantum mechanics (involving a lot of subtle group-reprentation theory, including the fact that the mass is to be interpreted as a central charge of the quantum version of the Galilei group) can be found in

Ballentine, Quantum Mechanics, a Modern Development.
 
vanhees71 said:
Note that the Galilei boost involves a phase factor in addition to the naive transformation rule for the wave function you have assumed in the beginning (despite this strange factor of 1/2, which I don't understand at all).

The 1/2 is present in the particular application I'm considering. For our purposes, I could have just as easily left it off. Sorry for the confusion it seems to have created!
 
vanhees71 said:
A careful analysis of the transformation properties of the wave function in the position representations yields its behavior under boosts,
\Psi_{\sigma}(t,\vec{x}) \rightarrow \Psi_{\sigma}'(t,\vec{x})=\exp \left (-\frac{\mathrm{i}}{\hbar} m \vec{v} \cdot \vec{x} - \frac{\mathrm{i} m}{2\hbar} \vec{v}^2 t \right ) \Psi_{\sigma}(t,\vec{x}+\vec{v} t).
So, my understanding from this is that, if I am in a frame of reference \mathcal O' that is moving with respect to my initial frame \mathcal O with a velocity of -vt, and my particle has mass m and wave function in \mathcal O given by \psi(x) then the wave function in \mathcal O' isn't just \psi(x+vt,t); it's

<br /> e^{-imv^2t/(2\hbar)}e^{-imvx/\hbar}\psi(x+vt,t).<br />

Is that correct? Are there any additional assumptions I need to place on \psi for this to work?
 
No. You can even prove that this is the correct rule for the Galilei boost by showing that, if \Psi fulfills the Schrödinger equation so does \Psi&#039;, and becomes clear, why you necessarily need the phase factor.

There's a famous paper by Inönü and Wigner that the unitary representations of the orginal Galilei group do not lead to physically reasonable dynamics (or a physically interpretable wave equation):

I. Inönü, E. P. Wigner, Representations of the Galilei group, Nuovo. Cim. 9, 705 (1952)
http://rd.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02782239
 

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