Geometry to work out how fast a bullet would have to travel to

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The discussion revolves around calculating the speed a bullet would need to travel to maintain a circular path around the Earth, effectively "overcoming" gravity. The participants explore this problem using geometric reasoning, while also considering the forces involved in circular motion and gravitational effects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about calculating the speed required for a bullet to travel around the Earth while neglecting air resistance and focusing on geometric methods.
  • Another participant suggests using the equation for centripetal force, stating that it can be set equal to gravitational force to find the necessary speed.
  • A different participant mentions that there is a geometric derivation of the centripetal force equation involving triangles, indicating a potential connection to the original inquiry.
  • One participant acknowledges the simplicity of the centripetal force approach but references a geometric solution found in Feynman's lectures, expressing some confusion about the calculation.

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Participants present multiple approaches to the problem, including geometric reasoning and the use of centripetal force equations. There is no consensus on the best method, and some participants express uncertainty about the geometric approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem is a crude approximation and that the geometric method may involve limits. There is also mention of potential confusion regarding the calculations presented in Feynman's lectures.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring the intersection of geometry and physics, particularly in the context of circular motion and gravitational effects.

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Hi guys, i was wondering how you calculate how fast a bullet would have to travel to 'overcome' gravity, i.e if it didn't hit anything (and discluding air resistance for now).
Mapping the Earth as a circle and knowing things such as the radius of the Earth and gravity acts on the bullet at 9.81 m/s^2 - how would i draw the triangles inside the circle to calculate the speed the bullet needs to travel to continue moving around the Earth (i.e the surface drops off at the same rate as the acceleration of gravity).

I wanted to solve the problem using geometry - which I'm aware would be a crude approximation. I couldn't find anything helpful via searching the internet, just continuous about which hits the ground first... blablabla.

Thanks a lot for any help,
 
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Are you familiar with the equation for centripetal force, i.e. the force required to keep an object moving in a circular path at constant speed? That force is [itex]\frac{mv^2}{r}[/itex], where m is the object's mass, v is it's speed, and r is the radius of the circular path.

Set that force equal to the gravitational force acting on the object -- since it is gravity that provides the necessary force -- and then you can figure out what v is.

p.s. I am not sure how drawing triangles would help out here.
 
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There is a way of deriving mv²/r geometrically, which does involve triangles. It involves taking a limit as the final step, but it's a pretty simple proof. Could that be part of what OP is referring to?
 
I am familiar with it, and admittedly, your way of solving the problem is far simpler. I found it in feynmanns lectures, chapter 7 I think, just after he talks about keplers laws. He solves this problem via geometry, but I found the calculation a little confusing (not due to its complexity). I'll take a picture of it later and upload it. Thanks for the responses.
 

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