Given a potential, qualitatively deducing the energy levels?

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The discussion focuses on qualitatively deducing the energy levels of different potential wells, specifically the Morse potential, without solving the Schrödinger equation. Participants also explore the behavior of wave packets as they interact with local potentials, examining how amplitude changes across varying potential landscapes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about methods to qualitatively deduce the properties of energy levels in a Morse potential, specifically the existence of infinite levels and their spacing.
  • Another participant suggests that the WKB approximation might provide useful intuition, noting that the modulus-squared of the wave function relates inversely to classical momentum, which could help in understanding energy levels.
  • A later reply expresses appreciation for the WKB method but questions its efficiency in providing quick insights into energy levels.
  • One participant shares a self-drawn potential and seeks feedback on their qualitative deductions regarding the behavior of an unbounded wave function, referencing the WKB approximation for amplitude and frequency calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of agreement on the utility of the WKB approximation for understanding energy levels and wave function behavior, but no consensus is reached on the qualitative deductions for specific potentials or the efficiency of the methods discussed.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the applicability of the WKB approximation and the specific characteristics of the potentials discussed remain unresolved. The discussion also highlights the complexity of deducing qualitative properties without exact solutions.

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Given the basic result that the harmonic potential well has the energy levels it has, are there ways to convincingly deduce the qualitative properties of the energy levels given a certain potential well?

Take for example a Morse potential, is there a way to deduce (vague if need be, exact if possible) that there will be an infinite amount of energy levels inside the well and that they monotonically get closer to each other? (without solving the Schrödinger equation)

As a side question, are there convincing arguments to qualitatively describe the shape of a free wave packet as it crosses a local potential? For example, if a free quantum wave approaches from the left across a potential initally constant but beginning to drop, will the amplitude decrease, increase or stay the same?
 
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I think the WKB ("semiclassical") approximation provides some of the intuition you are looking for. For example in the WKB approximation the modulus-squared of the wave function (for bound or free states) is inversely proportional to the classical momentum

[itex]\sqrt{2m(E-V(x))}[/itex]

which is intuitive because it is what you would expect for the probability density of a stochastic classical system.

The WKB method also gives approximate energy levels of bound states which should let you determine whether there are a finite or infinite number of them more easily than exactly solving the Schrödinger equation.
 
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Thanks for the reply. (PS: the tag for latex is
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For example in the WKB approximation the modulus-squared of the wave function (for bound or free states) is inversely proportional to the classical momentum

[itex]\sqrt{2m(E-V(x))}[/itex]
That's indeed something that I was looking for :)

The energy levels sounds useful, but maybe not "quick" enough if you understand what I mean.
 
I drew myself a random potential to test if I could qualitatively deduce (the real part of) an unbounded wave function. Could someone give their opinion on it?

The random potential is as follows: the dark line indicates the potential, the grey line is the energy level of the psi function that will be drawn. The green lines, marked A and B, denote the section where E < V (and hence where psi will be exponential)

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To draw Re(psi), we use that in the region where E > V:
[itex]\left\{ \begin{array}{ll} \textrm{freq} &\propto \sqrt{E-V} \\<br /> \textrm{ampl} &\propto \sqrt{|\psi|^2} \propto \frac{1}{\sqrt{ p_\textrm{classical} }} \propto \frac{1}{\sqrt[4]{E-V}} \quad \textrm{(cf. WKB approximation)}<br /> \end{array} \right.[/itex]
Using this we draw the points indicating the (local) wavelength (blue dots) and the amplitude (blue lines), both only for where there is oscillatory motion (i.e. E > V). The way the exponential is chosen indicates that it is somehow "a particle/wave coming for the left", if that is not too vague. Then [itex]Re(\psi)[/itex] (in red) is simply drawn using the blue construction:

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