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The discussion revolves around solving a homework problem related to electromagnetic waves, specifically focusing on the relationships between magnetic and electric field intensities, average power using the Poynting theorem, and the effects of different media on wavelength and field behavior. The scope includes theoretical and mathematical reasoning.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on how to approach the problem, expressing confusion about the equations and concepts involved.
  • Another participant prompts the original poster to consider the relationship between the magnetic field (H) and electric field (E) for plane waves, as well as the implications of the Poynting vector.
  • A participant reports having solved the problem, providing expressions for the electric field intensity and average power, but notes a contradiction regarding the permittivity of a dielectric with εr=0.4, stating it is impossible.
  • Further discussion arises about the implications of the imaginary part of the propagation constant (gamma) in a lossy medium and how it affects the electric field description.
  • One participant confirms that as beta increases, the wavelength (λ) decreases, and acknowledges the correctness of the provided expressions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that a dielectric with εr=0.4 is not feasible. However, there are differing views on the implications of the imaginary part of gamma and its effects on the electric field and wavelength, leading to some unresolved aspects of the discussion.

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Limitations include assumptions about the behavior of electromagnetic waves in different media, the dependence on definitions of permittivity, and the unresolved mathematical steps regarding the propagation constant and its components.

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Students and enthusiasts in electromagnetism, particularly those dealing with wave propagation in various media and related mathematical formulations.

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Homework Statement


The magnetic field intensity of an electromagnetic wave that propagates in vacuum is described with the following phasor notation: (H_{z} = H_{0}e^{+jkx}u_{z}) if the previous equation is hard to read maybe this will be easier: Hz=H0e^(+jkx)Uz. Assuming that the frequency of oscillation of the wave is omega, determine:

1) Electric Field Intensity
2) Average Power (use poynting theorem)
3) How would the wavelength change if the wave propagates in a dielectric with
epsilon_{r}=0.4
4)If the wave propagates in a lossy medium with gamma=2.3+j3.4, describe its electric field.
P=(Ez x Hz)/(2)


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The Attempt at a Solution


I honestly have looked at this problem long and hard and still do not understand. Can anyone give me a push maybe some equations to start with or a pointer in the right direction of where to look. The book has no example problem like this and I have seen nothing of the sort on homework any help is appreciated?
 
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1) what is the relationship between H and E for a plane wave such as yours?
2) poynting vector
3) think of light. what happens to velocity in an medium with insdex of refraction > 1? what stays constant, what changes?
4) for this you have to delve into your textbook.
 
Heh ended up figuring it out took me a while but I got it done I get
part (a) -120∏H0e^(jkx)Uy
part (b) Pavg=(120∏H^2)/2
part (c) it would increase if εr=0.4 however this is impossible as εr≥1
part (d) E=E0e^-(2.3x)e^j(ωt-βx)Uy

are these ok?
 
Would you mind helping with my other question that is the one I struggle with the most
 
DODGEVIPER13 said:
part (c) it would increase if εr=0.4 however this is impossible as εr≥1

There is no such thing as a dielectric with er = 0.4.
 
DODGEVIPER13 said:
Would you mind helping with my other question that is the one I struggle with the most

Which would that be?
 
DODGEVIPER13 said:
Heh ended up figuring it out took me a while but I got it done I get
part (d) E=E0e^-(2.3x)e^j(ωt-βx)Uy

What happened to the imaginary part of gamma? Hint: β is larger in a conducting medium than in a non-conducting one. If goes up, what happens to λ for a given w?

Let gamma = alpha + j beta
and put gamma in the exponent of your wave: E0exp(jwt - gamma*x)

You should then be able to describe in words what happens to an incident plane wave when it goes from a vacuum to a dielectric with finite conductivity.
 
Well k=beta=2∏/λ so for beta to increase I would think lamda would get smaller right? I thought I did have the imaginary part I just plugged into an equation using gamma=σ+jβ and then E(z,t)=Eye^(-αx)e^(jωt-jβz)
 
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DODGEVIPER13 said:
Well k=beta=2∏/λ so for beta to increase I would think lamda would get smaller right? I thought I did have the imaginary part I just plugged into an equation using gamma=σ+jβ and then E(z,t)=Eye^(-αx)e^(jωt-jβz)

Right. λ gets smaller (for a given ω).

I should not have mentioned that β gets larger in a conductor since you're already given β in the conductor.

Anyway, all your expressions look right now.

I'll try to get to your other problem sometime.
 

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