Got Gallium, what reaction is this?

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The discussion centers around the reaction between gallium and aluminum, particularly the effects of gallium on aluminum's structural integrity. Participants explore the chemistry involved, safety precautions, and the nature of the reaction, with a focus on the physical changes observed in aluminum when gallium is applied.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that aluminum appears inert due to a protective oxide layer, which gallium disrupts, leading to oxidation of the bulk aluminum.
  • Another participant describes the aluminum becoming flaky and brittle after exposure to gallium, questioning whether new molecules are formed or if gallium weakens aluminum's structure by absorption.
  • Safety concerns are raised regarding the handling of gallium, with multiple participants emphasizing the importance of precautions and the potential irritant effects of gallium and aluminum dust.
  • There is a mention of gallium alloys used in beverages and their associated health risks, specifically dermatitis.
  • A participant corrects their earlier use of "alineate," clarifying they meant "to alloy."

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Participants express varying levels of understanding about the chemical interactions and safety measures. There is no consensus on the specifics of the reaction between gallium and aluminum, and multiple viewpoints on the implications of the observed changes in aluminum remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference the protective oxide layer on aluminum and its role in the reaction with gallium, but the discussion lacks detailed exploration of the underlying chemical mechanisms. There are also references to safety precautions that are not fully elaborated upon.

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I know little to nothing about chemistry, but am fascinated by its physics.

Bought some gallium off amazon, which came shipped via AIR from china! (my God I hope that wasn't a passenger plane) and wow is it ever neat stuff.

Any ways of course I wanted to try putting some Gallium on Aluminum. Sure enough within no time the aluminum became all flaky and brittle. What kinda of reaction is that?
 
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First things first: You admit knowing little to nothing about chemistry.

Are you taking proper safety precautions for handling gallium?
 
Aluminium is a very reactive compound. That Aluminium appears so inert in everyday applications is due to it being covered with a thin but air tight and very hard surface sheet of aluminiumoxide which prevents the bulk from being oxidized further. However, if you alineate with Gallium, no closed oxide sheet can form any more and the aluminium will get oxidized also in the bulk. I also assume that the alineation of Ga with Al is simply more brittle.
 
DaveC426913 said:
First things first: You admit knowing little to nothing about chemistry.

Are you taking proper safety precautions for handling gallium?

Know enough that shipping it on a plane is bad idea! lol

I had read the wiki on it and other general info. Didn't see anything alarming with respect to poisoning*, only suggestion was to wear gloves & to keep the gallium "contained" (as in a "play area").

There is such a thing as poisoning from some gallium alloy that's used in citrus drinks like mountain dew! effect is dermatitis iircc.
 
DrDu said:
Aluminium is a very reactive compound. That Aluminium appears so inert in everyday applications is due to it being covered with a thin but air tight and very hard surface sheet of aluminiumoxide which prevents the bulk from being oxidized further. However, if you alineate with Gallium, no closed oxide sheet can form any more and the aluminium will get oxidized also in the bulk. I also assume that the alineation of Ga with Al is simply more brittle.

That is all that seemed to change. That said the brittle aluminum (after gallium) was flaky, in that it appeared as though the aluminum was "layered" and the layers had separated. A you tube video of the same thing was done in a time lapse and it looks as though the gallium is absorbed into the aluminum.

So did the aluminum and gallium make new molecules? Or did it did the gallium "work its way" into the aluminum weakening the molecular structure of aluminum?

I tried googling "alineate", because to me it's jargon I don't know if it's misspelled. Given the search results, is that "alienation"?
 
See these three NurdRage videos:- here,here and here.
Here is something amazing you might want to try with your Gallium. However DO NOT try that BEFORE learning a good bit of chemistry.
Sulfuric Acid is a highly dangerous compound, and proper precautions must be exercised at all times when handling it.
Cheers.
 
Sorry, I mixed this up with Spanish. I wante to say "to alloy".
 

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