Gravitational Force and initial velocity

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The discussion focuses on the motion of a body thrown upwards from Earth's surface with escape velocity, disregarding air resistance. Participants explore the application of Newton's second law and the conservation of energy to derive the motion equation. The integral setup for determining position as a function of time is clarified, emphasizing the importance of correctly handling the limits of integration. The conversation highlights the connection between kinetic and potential energy in the context of escape velocity. Ultimately, the correct expression for position over time is derived, demonstrating the integration of energy principles in solving the problem.
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Homework Statement



What is the motion of a body thrown upwards from the Earth's surface, with escape velocity as it's initial velocity. Disregard the air resistance.

Homework Equations



v_e = \sqrt{\frac{2 G M}{x}}
F_g = \frac{G M m}{x^2}

The Attempt at a Solution



I though this was a simple problem, by just applying Newton's 2nd Law of Motion.

m \frac{dv}{dt} = \frac{-G M m}{x^2}

However, as the force F depends on the position, x(t) can be determined by solving the integral:

\int_{x_0}^{x} \frac{dx}{\pm \sqrt{(E + \frac{G M m}{x})}} = \sqrt{\frac{2}{m}} t

I'm really lost here. How do I solve this?
And, by the way, shouldn't the Energy (E), in this case, be zero?

Any help appreciated.


PS: The correct answer is:

x (t) = (x_0^\frac{3}{2} + \frac{3}{2} \sqrt{2 G M} t)^\frac{2}{3}
 
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That integral came up wrong.
x_0 and x should be the limits of integration.
 
You seem to be most of the way there, except that I don't understand exactly how you set up your integral.

One way I can think of to do it is, starting from your Newton's 2nd law:
m \frac{dv}{dt} = \frac{-G M m}{x^2}

Then using the fact dv/dt = dv/dx dx/dt = v dv/dx, which you probably also did, separate variables and integrate both sides:
\int v dv = \int -\frac{GM}{x^2} dx

to get
\frac{1}{2} v^2 = \frac{GM}{x}
This expression just expresses conservation of energy (-d(KE) = d(PE)) and satisfies the "escape velocity" condition of KE + PE = 0 at x0 (with no extra constant of integration).

Isolating and substituting v = dx/dt:
v = \sqrt{2GM} x^{-1/2} = dx/dt

Now separate variables and integrate again, and determine your integration constant at x0.
 
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I can't believe I missed a simple separated variables equation.
Thanks for your help.

olivermsun said:
You seem to be most of the way there, except that I don't understand exactly how you set up your integral.

The integral comes from the conservation of energy principle.

T + V(x) = E
\frac{1}{2}m v^2 + V(x) = E
v = \frac{dx}{dt} = \sqrt{\frac{2}{m}} [E - V(x)]^\frac{1}{2}

Then, you can find x(t) solving:

\sqrt{\frac{m}{2}} \int_{x_0}^{x} \frac{dx}{\sqrt{E - V(x)}} = t - t_0

In this case, the potential energy V(x) = \frac{G M m}{x}
 
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Ah, right, it's the same integral, but you have chosen to retain little m and moved everything to the dx side. Cool. :)
 
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