Gravitational Force: F=G\frac{mM}{r^2} & M'=\frac{Mr^3}{R^3}

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The gravitational force on mass m outside a sphere with mass M is described by the formula F=G(mM/r^2), where r is the distance to the center of mass. Inside the sphere, only the mass within radius r contributes to gravitational attraction, leading to the formula M'=(Mr^3/R^3) under the assumption of uniform density. To derive M', one must compare the volumes of spheres with radii r and R, noting that mass is proportional to volume when density is constant. The discussion emphasizes the importance of correctly applying the density-volume relationship to derive M' from M. Ultimately, the mathematical manipulation shows that M' can be expressed as a fraction of M based on the ratio of their respective volumes.
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Gravitational force on mass m outside a sphere with mass M is given by F=G\frac{mM}{r^2}, where r is the distance to the center of mass. Gravity inside the sphere surface because of the mass distribution, since only the portion of the sphere mass is inside r contributes to the attraction. If the Earth's density is constant (which it definitely is not), so given the mass inside r of M'=\frac{Mr^3}{R^3}, where R is Earth radius. Gravitational force in the Earth's surface (r less than R) thus becomes: F=G\frac{mMr}{R^3}

my question is how can we prove/shown formula M'=\frac{Mr^3}{R^3}??
 
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Hint: What fraction of the total spherical volume does the mass < r occupy?
 
Doc Al said:
Hint: What fraction of the total spherical volume does the mass < r occupy?

what does mean with occupy?
 
aloshi said:
what does mean with occupy?
Occupy means 'take up', but I'll restate it differently. Since you assume uniform density, the mass is proportional to the volume. Compare the volume of a sphere of radius = r to one of radius = R.
 
Doc Al said:
Occupy means 'take up', but I'll restate it differently. Since you assume uniform density, the mass is proportional to the volume. Compare the volume of a sphere of radius = r to one of radius = R.

I can not really understand how to get
M’= \frac{Mr^3 }{R^3}
“the mass is proportional to the volume” = M(V)=\rho \frac{4\pi r^2}{3}
if we write M(V)= \frac{\rho4\pi }{3}\cdot r^2
\frac{\rho4\pi }{3}=k
k=constant
M(r)=k\cdot r^2

can you show me mathematical how I can get M’= \frac{Mr^3 }{R^3}
 
aloshi said:
if we write M(V)= \frac{\rho4\pi }{3}\cdot r^2
That should be:

M(V)= \frac{\rho4\pi }{3}\cdot r^3

Compare the total mass MR (where radius = R) to the partial mass Mr (where radius = r).
 
Doc Al said:
That should be:

M(V)= \frac{\rho4\pi }{3}\cdot r^3

Compare the total mass MR (where radius = R) to the partial mass Mr (where radius = r).

but there is no evidence that the mass is M&#039;=\frac{Mr^3}{R^3}
can you show me mathematical, so I can understand
 
aloshi said:
but there is no evidence that the mass is M&#039;=\frac{Mr^3}{R^3}
can you show me mathematical, so I can understand
What does M equal? (Use the formula for density times volume.)
What does M' equal? (Use the formula for density times volume.)

Then just divide M' by M and see what you get.
 
Doc Al said:
What does M equal? (Use the formula for density times volume.)
What does M' equal? (Use the formula for density times volume.)

Then just divide M' by M and see what you get.



M=\rho \frac{4\pi \cdot R^3}{3}\\
M&#039;=\rho \frac{4\pi r^3}{3}
\frac{M&#039;}{M}=\frac{\rho \frac{4\pi r^3}{3}}{\rho \frac{4\pi \cdot R^3}{3}}

this does not give us the mass, this give is the share
 
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Finish the division--canceling things that can be canceled--and you'll get the formula you want.
 
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Doc Al said:
Finish the division--canceling things that can be canceled--and you'll get the formula you want.

\frac{M&#039;}{M}=\frac{r^3}{R^3}
but that's not what I want, this give me the share, not the new mass
 
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aloshi said:
\frac{M&#039;}{M}=\frac{r^3}{R^3}
but that's not what I want, this give me the share, not the new mass
Multiply both sides by M.
 
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