Gravitational potential energy

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The discussion revolves around the concept of gravitational potential energy, specifically why it is considered negative for a ball at a distance r from the center of the Earth. Participants explore the implications of gravitational force and the conventions used in defining potential energy.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between gravitational force and potential energy, questioning the sign conventions used in calculations. There is an exploration of the work-energy principle and the implications of defining the zero level of potential energy.

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Some participants have provided insights into the direction of the gravitational force and its impact on potential energy calculations. Others have introduced the idea of the arbitrary nature of the zero level in potential fields, suggesting that the discussion is moving towards a deeper understanding of the underlying principles.

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There is a mention of the conventional choice of setting gravitational potential energy to zero at infinity, which may influence the interpretation of the problem. Participants are also considering the implications of the force vector's direction in their reasoning.

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Homework Statement


Why is the gravitational potential energy of a ball a distance r from the center of the Earth negative?

Homework Equations


<br /> U_\text{grav}(r) = - GMm/r<br />[/B]

(To me, this makes sense because gravity is an attractive force and bodies will want to minimize the distance between them if only gravity is acting.)

The Attempt at a Solution



The force of gravity is given by Newton's universal law, so I'm thinking the potential energy due to this force is the negative of the work done on the ball by gravity over a distance, or
<br /> \Delta U = -W = - \int_{r_1}^{r_2} \; \mathbf{F} \cdot \mathbf{dr} <br />

since the force and the displacement are in the same direction,

<br /> \Delta U = -W = + \frac{GMm}{r}\vert^{r_2}_{r_1} <br />


if r1 is at infinity and r2 is equal to r,
<br /> \Delta U = +\frac{GMm}{r}<br />


What did I do wrong?
 
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First decide whether the force vector should be written as ##\mathbf{F} = + \frac{GMm}{r^2} \hat{\mathbf{r}}## or as ##\mathbf{F} = - \frac{GMm}{r^2} \hat{\mathbf{r}}##.

Then think about whether ##\hat{\mathbf{r}} \cdot \mathbf{dr} = dr## or ##\hat{\mathbf{r}} \cdot \mathbf{dr} =-dr##
 
Oh...minus sign! That makes since because the force of gravity is directed to the center of the Earth, in the -r^ direction. Thanks!
 
I would have answered the stated question in a completely different way.
The zero level in a potential field is, in general, arbitrary. For practical purposes, all that matters is the potential differences between points. The choice of where to set the zero is either up to the individual or a matter of convention.
For gravitational potential, the convention is that it is zero at infinity. I leave you to complete the explanation from there.
 

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