Gravity Affects Light: Is What We See Real?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of gravity's effect on light and its implications for perception and reality. Participants explore whether the bending of light by gravity leads to a perception of reality that could be considered an illusion, touching on philosophical aspects of vision and interpretation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that gravity affects light, leading to questions about the nature of reality and perception.
  • One participant argues that while light is bent by various factors (gravity, glasses, atmosphere), this does not necessarily mean what we see is an illusion.
  • Another participant emphasizes that we only see the light coming from objects, which raises questions about the nature of seeing and reality.
  • It is noted that light's finite speed means we see distant objects as they were in the past, which complicates our understanding of what is "real."
  • Gravitational lensing is mentioned as a phenomenon where light is bent by massive objects, affecting the apparent position of those objects.
  • One participant reiterates the various ways light is altered before reaching our eyes, placing gravitational effects in a broader context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the bending of light by gravity leads to a perception of reality that can be considered "fake" or an illusion. There is no consensus on the implications of these effects for understanding reality.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the philosophical implications of perception and reality without resolving the complexities of how light behaves under various conditions.

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I heard that gravity can affect light (according to Einstein). So does it mean that all we can see is fake? We know that light comes to an eye in a straight line, but if gravity affects it, how can we be sure were seeing real things and not an illusion?
 
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Gravity bends light, and light doesn't come to you in a straight line. My glasses also bend light. So do windows, and so does the atmosphere. Your eye also bends light. Do you look in a mirror in the morning?

What you are seeing is simply your brain's interpretation of a tiny silver of the spectrum of the outside world. It's just as "real" as a dream...but that's a philosophical discussion, not one for this site.
 
You are saying that something you see in a mirror or through a telescope is an illusion?

In a sense, you might claim that it is (an 'optical illusion') but the object you see is still real.
 
I think the point is that you can't see objects, you can only see the light coming from the object. Which is nice, cause it allows you to take pictures/movies and look at it later on ;)

On a side note, I wouldn't know how else it could work though :p
 
So does it mean that all we can see is fake?

It's not what I would call "fake" but very different than you might expect. Light is electromagnetic radiation, like that used in X rays for example, just a different frequency. And different observers may "see" things differently when moving relative to one another and at different observation locations.

Because light travels at a finite speed, distant cosmological objects, like stars, appear to us as they existed weeks or months or years ago...because the light takes that long to reach us. So a star you see right now may have exploded and the light reflecting that might not reach us for weeks or months. An analogy is fireworks explosions: you see the light after the detonation...but the sound takes a lot longer to reach you, so you hear the effects seconds later.

Also, as light passes a large mass gravity bends the light so an object is not exactly where it appears to be. That's called gravitational lensing.
 
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Lsos said:
Gravity bends light, and light doesn't come to you in a straight line. My glasses also bend light. So do windows, and so does the atmosphere. Your eye also bends light.

This puts gravitational bending of light in perspective.

If light were not bent, you would not be able to see anything at all.

Gravitational bending is far, far down the list of ways that light is altered before it reaches your retinae.
 

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