Green's Theorem (integration problem, not concept)

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The discussion revolves around applying Green's Theorem to find the area enclosed by the curve defined by the equation x2/3 + y2/3 = 4. Participants are exploring the integration process and parametrization of the curve.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the parametrization of the curve and the integration of trigonometric functions. There are attempts to express the curve in polar coordinates and concerns about the correctness of the parametrization. Questions arise regarding the integration of specific trigonometric expressions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on parametrization and expressing confusion about integration techniques. There is no explicit consensus, but suggestions for alternative approaches are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants express frustration with the integration process and the complexity of the trigonometric functions involved. There is acknowledgment of potential misunderstandings regarding the parametrization of the curve.

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So a previous problem said to show that the area of some simple closed curve C was:

[tex]A= \frac{1}{2} \oint_{C} (xdy - ydx)[/tex]

Simple enough. My problem says to find the area of the curve

[tex]x^{2/3} + y^{2/3} = 4[/tex]

using that formula.

So off to polar coordinate land I go. r = 4, x = cos(t), dx = -sin(t), y = sin(t), dy = cos(t), right?

So after plugging everything in and taking out the r, I get:

[tex]A = 2 \oint_{0}^{2 \pi} (cos(t)^{5/3} + sin(t)^{5/3})dt[/tex]

Correct?

How do I integrate that? They aren't squared. And I can't find any trig formula to simplify that or any integration formula. Do I have to venture into infinite series?
 
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I don't think you're parametrizing your curve correctly--one way to check is to substitute a point from your parametrized expression back into the original expression. If you let (x(t), y(t)) = (sin^3 t, cos^3 t), how might you tweak that?
 
Now I'm completely lost. I've been doing this assignment and another lab since yesterday morning, so my mind is fried.

I think I understand that r =/= 4 (although I am having a brain fart and can't figure out what it should be), but I still don't understand your last sentence.
 
You are trying to find a parametric representation of the curve [tex]x^{2/3} + y^{2/3} = 4[/tex]. That means you want a function c(t) = (x(t), y(t)) such that for all t, [tex]x(t)^{2/3} + y(t)^{2/3} = 4[/tex], and also you want every point (x, y) on the curve to be equal to (x(t), y(t)) for some t. Are you with me? I'm saying you could try choosing c(t) = (cos^3(t), sin^3(t)) and see how you can alter it so that it's right.
 
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Yeah, I ended up doing that but didn't know how to integrate sin^2(t)cos^2(t). I really hate that. I understand the concept but I don't know how to integrate. =/ It was like 1 - cos(4t) or something, and integrating that is a snap, but my trig sucks. :(
 
If you wanted to simplify the curve eqn you could cube the whole equation to get x^2 + y^2 = 64.
 

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