Half life and percentage remaining

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The discussion revolves around calculating the remaining fraction of 137Cs after 50 years, given its half-life of 30.07 years. Participants explore different methods, including using decay rates and the correct differential equation for radioactive decay. There is confusion regarding the application of the equations, particularly in deriving the remaining quantity of cesium. One participant approximates that about 32% of 137Cs remains after 50 years based on their calculations. The conversation highlights the need for clarity in solving the decay equations and understanding the underlying principles.
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Homework Statement


137Cs has a half life t1/2 = 30.07 years. After 50 years, what fraction of 137Cs will remain?

Homework Equations


maybe...
dN/dλ = λN
λ = ln2/t1/2, half life in seconds
N = Total mass /(137(1.67x10-17kg))

The Attempt at a Solution


i thought maybe i needed to figure out a decay rate at first but i don't have a total mass. unless i just use the mass of the cesium. so my N will simply equal 1/(1.67x10-17)

but that gives me a huge number. 43 million decays per second.

so then i thought if i lose 50% in 30 years. then in 20 years, which is 66% the amount of time needed for another half life to pass, then i should lose 66% of the 50% which is only 33%. so in 50 years i lose 33% of the 50% lost in the first 30 years. but then i get lost in my logic and don't know how to proceed.

edit: if i take .50 - .33 = .17. then add the .17 to the .50 i get .67. this makes sense to me as after two half lives have passed then .75 of the Cs will be left over.
 
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nmsurobert said:

Homework Statement


137Cs has a half life t1/2 = 30.07 years. After 50 years, what fraction of 137Cs will remain?

Homework Equations


maybe...
dN/dλ = λN
This equation is incorrect. It should read:

$$\frac{dN}{dt}=-\lambda N$$

where
λ = ln2/t1/2, half life in seconds

If t1/2 = 30.07 years, from this equation, what is the value of λ?

If N = N0 at time t = 0, do you know how to solve the above differential equation for the value of N at arbitrary time t (in terms of N0, λ, and t)?

Chet
 
i do not know how to solve that equation.

but what i did was 50/30.07 = 1.66. and if 2-1 is .5. then 2-1.66 is .68. which leave 32% of the cesium remaining.
 
nmsurobert said:
i do not know how to solve that equation.

but what i did was 50/30.07 = 1.66. and if 2-1 is .5. then 2-1.66 is .68. which leave 32% of the cesium remaining.
If you do not know how to solve that equation, and are not expected to be able to solve it, then you must have been given another relevant equation. Maybe one involving e?
 
nmsurobert said:
i do not know how to solve that equation.

but what i did was 50/30.07 = 1.66. and if 2-1 is .5. then 2-1.66 is .68. which leave 32% of the cesium remaining.
Yes. I agree with haruspex. On what mathematical basis did you choose this expression over the infinite number of other possibilities available?

Chet
 
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